Talk:Everywhere at the End of Time/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Artem.G (talk · contribs) 10:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'll be reviewing this article, please expect my comments in the next few days. Artem.G (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Artem.G, thank you so much for reviewing this article. This message is just to let you know changes made since the time of the review: [1] [2] [3]. Wetrorave (talk) 01:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I've already checked previous GA review :) Artem.G (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that, unlike the previous GAN, I have checked each website used in order to make sure they have an editorial and a reputation, as well as awards of some type or reputable writers. Wetrorave (talk) 12:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, isn't the article 4,000-some-words long? It isn't 9,000 words, as you stated at the GAN backlog effort. Wetrorave (talk) 02:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I count both body and refs by the script. Artem.G (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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The article is a really good read, and needs just a little bit of polishing.

Few comments/question:

• produce music that "gave the alias dementia". - quote seems to be unsourced
  •  Done – changed to "Kirby decided to produce Everywhere as his final work under the alias."
• The Caretaker was a pseudonym of English electronic musician Leyland Kirby that sampled big band records. - just a though - wouldn't it be better like The Caretaker was a pseudonym used by English electronic musician Leyland Kirby in 2005-2017, who sampled big band records.?

 Partly done – I've changed it to "The Caretaker was a pseudonym of English electronic musician Leyland Kirby, from 1999 to 2019, that sampled big band records." This is because Kirby has numerous other aliases, such as V/Vm and his own name, so saying that Kirby himself used samples from the 20s rather than the alias may give the wrong impression

Agree. Artem.G (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• Quote by Virginia Heffernan contains several wikilin~ks; I think it's better to include these links to the main body. Same with other quotes.

 Done per MOS:LWQ, which says to be conservative about this

• In the infobox there is a line "Box set of Everywhere by the Caretaker", all wikilinked, where "everywhere" redirects to the page itself, the Caretaker is duplicated. I think both links can be removed.

 Partly done – I've removed the |longtype= and |artist= parameters from the two box set infoboxes

I came back and decided to re-insert the |artist= parameter, because without it, the 'chronology' part of the infobox looks very wrong

• It features an organ, - Organ (music)

 Done

• it has more melancholic, degraded, and droning-like samples - maybe link Drone (music)?

 Done

• Kirby and Seal were born in the same country, became friends in the same city - maybe it would be better to mention the country and the city for readers who are not familiar with Kirby and Seal?

Very good point,  Done

• This statement caused confusion in websites.[65] - maybe "the critics were confused" or something similar?

 Done – changed to "Some critics were confused about this statement."

• External links

Stages 1–3 on vinyl - it's a shop

Stages 4-6 as well,  Done – removed both of them

Everywhere at the End of Time at MusicBrainz - https://musicbrainz.org/release/7022296d-df0b-4c27-8058-066518a3f77d - returns "Release Not Found"

 Done – changed id to https://musicbrainz.org/release/e9624820-9924-4d67-b7c0-3bb729507514 , which is the correct link

#EverywhereAtTheEndOfTime on TikTok - should it really be included? It can be quite popular on TikTok now, but would it be in a year? and does it helps to understand anything about the music?

I think it helps any potential readers to further see how exactly the users were reacting to the album. Having a link that allows one to take a look at how the public, specifically a younger public, has reacted to this album (err... series of albums) is important imo, especially given that this is certainly not the kind of music one expects to be popularized by TikTok

Ok, I can see your logic here. Artem.G (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• Categories - Internet memes introduced in 2020 - I don't really think it's a meme, but it's up yo you to decide.

Some of the sources do mention it as a meme, and it might indeed be a meme, but I don't think this is relevant, so  Done – removed it

Actually, this has been  Undone – as I said it myself, some sources ([4] [5]) mention the series as a meme. Wetrorave (talk) 03:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Agree, let it be a meme. And I've checked how many views the article has, and it's half a million, wow! Artem.G (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, this album's been getting quite popular in the pandemic for some reason, even after the TikTok phenomenon mentioned in the article. Wetrorave (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I will check the refs a little bit later, and re-read the whole article. Artem.G (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Artem.G. Here is the article's copyvio score if it helps. Wetrorave (talk) 12:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

So, I've checked nearly half of the refs, and everything seems to be ok - quotes are real, without copyright violations. Album covers here are 'fair use' and I agree with that. Other images are public domain or own work of wiki users, so it's ok. Copyvio detector shows nothing bad, and I couldn't find any copyvio. Article is stable, there is no edit war here. Overall, it's a very good article about interesting album. Thanks, Wetrorave, and congrats with a GA! Artem.G (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

As one of the first GAs I have ever nominated, I feel really satisfied about it for some reason :). Thank you! Well, now the goal is FA for this article, and possibly GA for other ambient music articles. I'm thinking An Empty Bliss Beyond This World. And yeah, this is an album that seems to interest pretty much anyone who hears about it. Thank you again. Wetrorave (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)