Talk:Execution of Majidreza Rahnavard

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Majidreza Rahnavard was the first Iranian executed in public stemming from the Mahsa Amini protests? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63939428
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Created by Afddiary (talk). Nominated by Fad Ariff (talk) at 13:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - see comments
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - see comments

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - see comments
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Fad Ariff: Good article. However, three things. 1. citation 22 should have a better ref than a twitter post. 2. Earwig is reporting that there may be a copyvio. I would like elaboration on that. 3. While I could probably infer this, I want a source that explictly states that it was the first public execution. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Thank you! 1. Ok, I will fix this. 2. I'll check this too. 3. Source that explictly state thats it was the first public execution [1]. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: I couldn't find a replacement to the twitter citation, so I removed that material. About the copy-vio, I could not find the problem. Which content is a copy-vio? Fad Ariff (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fad Ariff: If you check earwig (check the DYK toolbox) you can find that it reports that some materials of the article seems to be copied from Goftar news. Now, this could be a case of WP:MIRROR but I would need some evidence to support that. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: I think I've fixed everything now. Could you please check? Thank you.Fad Ariff (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I do think it's good now so approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Great! Do I need to do anything else here? what happens now? Fad Ariff (talk) 12:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fad Ariff: You just have to wait until this either gets promoted or if someone else finds a problem with it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

The hook isn't cited in the article. SL93 (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@SL93: I just added the hook to the article. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Fad Ariff Please add a citation after that information. The part about him being the first is in the lead, but that information has no reference after it. SL93 (talk) 16:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@SL93: I have now added the citation after that information. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. SL93 (talk) 17:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@Fad Ariff, SL93, and Onegreatjoke: I was going to promote but then I came across a few potential issues: one paragraph which appears in this article appears almost verbatim in our article. I do not know if the article has copied from us or we from them. Also some of this article also appears to be too closely paraphrased. Now it could be that the first is a direct copy of the Wikipedia article, but the second article called out above appears to need attention. Bruxton (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I will leave this to Onegreatjoke as the reviewer. I only checked for a direct citation. SL93 (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Looking closer I think that the second one is not a problem just the question about the paragraph here. Bruxton (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I did explicitly call out the goftar news problem but approved under the opinion that it might have been a mirror. Though now I'm not so sure. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: @Bruxton: exactly which part of the article needs paraphrasing? Fad Ariff (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Look at this and read the above comments to see why it is an issue. Bruxton (talk) 15:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: @Bruxton: @SL93: I have fixed the issues now. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Fad Ariff from wehat I see the issue has not been addressed. An entire paragraph must bee rewritten. Bruxton (talk) 16:14, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Bruxton I have now fixed further. Please take a look. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I reworded on long paragraph and I think this one may be ready know. We have cut down on the close paraphrasing and it seems like just a few long quotes trip the detector but they are needed. Bruxton (talk) 16:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

moving the tick to the bottom after issues have been resolved. Bruxton (talk) 16:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Re: the "Did You Know?" Nomination and Copyright Violation

Hi - I can't reply directly to the thread, so I figured I would leave a comment here; I hope this helps.

I read over the allegations that the article was copied from Goftar News. I am the one who initially wrote the article (and I have written the majority of the text within the article) - and I can attest that I have never heard of Goftar News before today. I checked Goftar News for myself, and I found the following article - (As a warning, before you click the link, the article has large, graphic images of Majidreza Rahnavard's execution and his dead body at the very top, with zero warning. You may find them very disturbing; you may wish to cover the screen and scroll past them, as the text is below them.) http://goftarnews.com/who-were-the-executioners-of-majidreza-rahnavard-in-mashhad/

The information included at the beginning of their article is a direct copy of text I wrote myself. I wrote the text first; this is definitely a case of WP:MIRROR.

I don't know if this is enough confirmation, but I finished writing this article at around 4:00 AM (in my time zone, EST) on the morning of Majidreza Rahnavard's execution, and I spent the day making tweaks to the wording and the intro - while their article, which copied this article's text, was published at 1:20 AM EST the next morning. I don't know exactly how to prove this, but if it helps, this was the state of the intro at 12:03 AM on December 13, at least an hour before they published their article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Execution_of_Majidreza_Rahnavard&diff=1127114929&oldid=1127111677 - and this text is identical to theirs. Their text seems to have been copied directly from an earlier edit of the article, one that was finalized early in the morning of December 13, 2022.

I really do hope this helps. Sorry for the confusion. Afddiary (talk) 16:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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