Talk:Exile on Main St./Archive 1

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Set Album to Class B & Top Importance Megamanic 09:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums

This album is 7th on the list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_500_Greatest_Albums_of_All_Time). I think this should be mentioned somewhere, especially since Exile is pretty high in the list (note that this is done for most of the other albums on the list, including some by Rolling Stones). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.151.108.142 (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Uncredited musicians -- Should get credit in the article?

According to Dr. John's memoir, James Booker contributed a lot of the keyboard work that appears on the final mix, although he didn't get credited or paid.

Ry Cooder has said in interviews that he was invited by Keith Richards to jam at some point in 1970, and that Richards taped the sessions and used several of Cooder's licks as the hooks of songs that appeared on this album and Sticky Fingers, including the classic opening of Brown Sugar from Sticky Fingers.

Would someone working on this project like to add that material to this article?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Holland (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

All keyboard work on Exile is credited for, and James Booker does not appear on the album.

Ry Cooder appears on both the Let it Bleed and Sticky Fingers album, but not on Exile. Keith Richards has admitted "borowing" the intro riff to Honky Tonk Women from Cooder. Brown Sugar was written by Mick Jagger, including the guitar work. (Heteren 09:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC))

Have you read Dr. John's book Under the Hoodoo Moon? He says the Stones used some of James Booker's work uncredited. How do you know that is untrue?Adam Holland 14:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sweet Black Angel and Sweet Virginia

It has been stated by Miller, Jagger and Glyn Johns that both Sweet Virginia and Sweet Black Angel were recorded at Stargroves in 1970, and the studio sheets confirm this. Tare is either mistaken, or the Stones were listening to playbacks. (Heteren 09:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC))

Incredible Bias

" the group's subsequent 1970s releases—directed largely by Jagger—would experiment with various trendy genres, eschewing the country, blues, and early rock and roll which served as a foundation for Exile and the Stones in general." This is the most utterly, hilariously poor example of someone trying to slip POV into an article that I have ever seen. I know people don't like Mick Jagger but those people aren't very intelligent or educated about the Stones; yes, Keith Richards is really cool and everything because he loves blues and did drugs. Fascinating. Mick Jagger's contributions to the Stones at least equal Richards', possibly even exceed them, no matter what preconceived notions you may have about him.

I don't care what you think about the Stones in the 70s. "Trendy" is demeaning. The Stones by no stretch of even a highly overactive, reductive imagination "eschewed" blues early rock or even country on any of their 70s records. This is simply a moronic statement clearly designed to paint jagger as a trendy, irreverant, foppish snob. It's amazing how Keith Richards fans will so doggedly go out of their way--even attempt to rewrite musical history!--in order to subtly assert that Keith Richards is cooler than Mick Jagger. He's not; there's a reason why it's called a "musical partnership" and people should stop trying to say one of the two is better than the other, especially in an objective encyclopedia article. The Stones' mid/late 70s records may be worse than Exile, but if they are, it's because the songwriting isn't as good--not because they "eschewed" their musical roots. The Stones never "eschewed" their musical roots. This is simply inaccurate and foolish to say.

Query about meaning

"Bassist Bill Wyman did not like the ambience of the Richards villa..." does that mean the acoustic ambience, or the atmosphere between people? Regards, Notreallydavid 23:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

#19 on Guitar Worlds 100 Best...

...and you use a citation that references an internet chat thread?? ummm.. that's not gonna fly, sorry. Buster 17:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sleeve

I'm astonished that there's nothing in this entry about the LP sleeve, which is maybe the most interesting in the whole TRS catalogue. Where do the pictures come from? What was the idea behind using them? Didn't they get in trouble because some people found some of the images disturbing? Does anyone reckon it contributed to the album's (relative) lack of commercial success because it put people off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.232.248 (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Some of the photographs on the album cover were shot by Robert Frank in the 1950s. Robert Frank later shot the 1972 tour for a well-known film titled Cocksucker Blues. Vpfritz (talk) 10:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

When the LP was released in 1972 it contained a series of black-and-white postcards which feature the Stones with two elegantly-dressed women. I still have the cards. Does anyone know who the two women were who modelled for the pictures?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Good observation, as the cards and the artwork really are a noticeable aspect to The Rolling Stones' albums during this period of time (Sticky Fingers comes to mind there!). Perhaps it's mentioned on their extensive website. You might even get lucky if you Google it as a question. Or maybe a You Tube interview at that time? Bill Wyman, who has kept an extensive diary from before joining the band all the way till today, may have commented on the choices for the album, as Wyman is also an acclaimed photographer with magnificent shows of his work in art galleries around the world. Seems like these days he is more willing to speak on camera and at ease with his life. Happy. Would it be "original research" if I was to ask a friend of mine who also knows Mick Taylor to find out from him about them? It seems close to breaking Wikipedia rules, but...?--Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

piero scaruffis review

his reviews should only be used on albums where not enough others are there, it's on in the rules, his reviews should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.225.15 (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Release and reception

Current, as of 7.9.09:

"Released in May 1972, having been preceded by the Top 10 hit "Tumbling Dice", Exile On Main St. was an immediate commercial success, hitting #1 worldwide just as the band embarked on their famed 1972 American Tour, their first in the U.S. in three years, and during which they played many songs from the new album. "Happy", sung by Richards, would be a Top 30 US hit later that summer.

Although critics judged Exile on Main St. to be a ragged record at the time of its release, its reputation has since grown. On the critical and commercial reaction, Richards said, "When [Exile] came out it didn't sell particularly well at the beginning, and it was also pretty much universally panned. But within a few years the people who had written the reviews saying it was a piece of crap were extolling it as the best frigging album in the world."[6]"

How can it be an immediate commercial success, yet Richards claims it "didn't sell particularly well at the beginning?" Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.250.143.211 (talk) 06:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Simple really -- Richards is mistaken!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Keith's heroin use

"By this time Richards had begun a daily habit of using heroin." Keith started doing heroin in 1969. He also was a drug addict during the Sticky Fingers and Let It Bleed sessions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk dada (talk • contribs) 21:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Sign your comments please

If people do not bother to sign their comments, only requiring the for tildes, as noted directly above the message/subject box, I can't fathom why they'd expect an answer. Some points are valid, and though they are dated, weren't really addressed mostly since we can't expect that anyone reads them unless they put out that effort. For example, if Ry Cooder did play on any of the tracks, and someone has a reputable reference they would like to leave here after commenting, it would be worth looking into. Often session musicians regardless of their stature (Mick Taylor played as a session player on some songs before being invited to join the band), frequently do not get credit, in part due to musicians, management or even neglect by record labels and even our own information sources. So that's good info to have, but only with a reliable reference.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Can we separate the original information from the later release?

I find the list of personnel from the later release with the bonus tracks confusing. I think that the original performers on the very first release of Exile on Main St. at the least should be listed in one section (almost as if that was THE only release.) THEN, comments about the later release of the record, and list of additional performers who played on the later release, such as Lisa Fischer, etc. Otherwise, how can anyone get any idea of what the lineup might have looked like either in the studio in the early 1970s on the original album and/or on tour to promote it? It should be clear what the original album was like, and then what the follow-up recording was like, with different contributors, etc. Does anyone follow what I'm saying here? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

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Sidemen Information not Correct

Nicky Hopkins was the primary piano player on Exile on Main Street participating in the Nellcote and London (Stargroves & Olympic Studios), and most likely Los Angeles. Hopkins plays on "Rocks Off," "Rip this Joint," "Casino Boogie," "Tumblin' Dice," "Torn and Frayed," "Lovin' Cup," "Happy," "Turd on the Run," "Ventilator Blues," "Let it Loose," "All Down the Line," and "Soul Survivor." Hopkins is also creditted for "Sweet Black Angel" but any piano on that track is barely audible.

Ian Stewart plays piano on "Shake Your Hips" (buried in the mix), "Sweet Virginia," and "Stop Breaking Down."

Jim Price plays organ on "Torn and Frayed."

Keith Richards plays piano on "Just Want to See His Face."

Billy Preston plays piano and organ on "Shine a Light."

Mac Rebenack, "Dr. John," does not play piano or any other instrument. He sings backing vocals on "Let it Loose."

This information is available from the credits provided on the album itself but also confirmed in the video 'Stones in Exile'.

Nicky Hopkins participated in the London, Nelecote, and Los Angeles sessions despite his commitments with the Jeff Beck Group and Quicksilver Messenger Service, 1969-1970.

Billy Preston peformed in the Los Angeles sessions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbannist (talk • contribs) 00:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Exile on Carson Street

http://www.ninasainato.com/shows/wdve-presents-exile-on-carson-st-pittsburgh-pa-051212-rex-theater/

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/ae/music/local-scene-635152/

On May 12, 2012, WDVE in Pittsburgh (and DJ Randy Baumann of the morning show in particular) organized a performance by an all-star band of the entire album at the Rex Theater for charity (a portion of the proceeds benefited The Beads of Courage at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh) and to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the album's release. Calling it "Exile on Carson Street" it included professional musicians Donnie Iris, Joe Grushecky, Rob James and Scott Blasey (from The Clarks), Joffo Simmons and Art Nardini (from the Houserockers), Jeff Scmutz (from Good Brother Earl) & Jon Belan (from Gene the Werewolf), among others.

Not sure if this is encyclopedic enough for inclusion in the article, so I present it here for consideration by any of the editors watching this page. Any objection to inclusion? The above can likely be copied and pasted verbatim (I edited and paraphrased from both links above.) Thanks. Medleystudios72 (talk) 19:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

So... anyone have a thought? I don't want to just toss this on the page haphazardly without feedback of some kind. Medleystudios72 (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

"...generally regarded as the band's best album" Yeah, you think such a claim could use multiple sources??

Hi, I'm surprised to find that Exile On Main Street "it is now generally regarded as the band's best album." Or so claims one guy at Allmusic. Don't you think such an outlandish claim might deserve more than a single critic's assertion (whose name by the way is...gee...uh...I guess...Mr. Never Heard Of Him.)

I sure do. Just cause one guy says it, doesn't make it so. Thanks118.8.247.35 (talk) 14:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I also think it is completely ridiculous to state that as fact because one writer said that in 1977. Mezigue (talk) 23:27, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

This was my response to your query. If you still feel the revision isn't enough, feel free to remove it altogether. Dan56 (talk) 23:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it is better to just remove it, because even if this was true then, it is a massively out of date opinion now. Mezigue (talk) 23:59, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Rock n' Roll?

Genre should be just Rock not the 50s Rockabilly type of rock.108.81.33.59 (talk) 06:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree with you on that one. Hot Stop 06:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Have we a consensus it should be changed to just Rock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 16:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The material is sourced. Have you checked what the source says? Wikipedia uses sources, not original research. — goethean 16:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The material from the book source cited--Bill Janovitz' 2005 book--is stated in the Release and reception section ("the greatest, most soulful, rock & roll record ever made ... [distills] perhaps all the essential elements of rock & roll up to 1971, if not beyond."), along with others--Lenny Kaye ("knock-down rock and roll") and Mick Jagger's long quote in the Band appraisal section ("It's very rock & roll"). Dan56 (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

...all of which need to be taken with a grain of salt, considering the exclamatory phrase "rock 'n roll" emerged from the genre name and now is used in contexts not even relevant to rock music. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 00:02, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The material is well-sourced and should remain as is. — goethean 00:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Ozzy Osbourne calls his music Rock n' Roll, but it's obviously hard rock/heavy metal. Elvis is rock and roll, this is just normal rock like the rest of the Stone's albums. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 04:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

More expert opinion from Y2kcrazyjoker4? Janovitz italicized his usage (prolly for reactions like that), Kaye said it stems from blues with a feeling of "blackness" (in a contemporary review, not anytime recent when you say it's "used in contexts not even relevant to rock music"), and Jagger refers to "the revival" and "their roots", also in an interview at the time of the album's release. What more would you like? Dan56 (talk) 06:36, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Article title?

Why the full stop at the end of St? The album cover and (most) labels don't have one, although the band's official website page does. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Exile on Main St. and preceding and follow-up album articles on The Rolling Stones' albums.

Exile on Main St. is the Rolling Stones tenth British and twelfth American studio album. Plus, if you check out the other articles on The Rolling Stones' albums both preceding and follow-up albums, the articles will also be the same way. The articles will state their respective releases by their British and American releases. That is why I put that Exile on Main St was their tenth British and twelfth American studio albums as to follow the examples set by those articles of all of their albums on Wikipedia both preceding and follow-up.

I hope that this explains things.Frschoonover (talk) 22:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

You still didn't cite a source @Frschoonover: Dan56 (talk) 14:16, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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