Talk:Extreme points of the Arctic

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Reidgreg in topic What does all lands mean?

What does all lands mean?

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I do not understand what it means Smoceany2 (talk) 17:00, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Smoceany2, Eivindgh, and CambridgeBayWeather: I didn't understand "all lands" either. It dates to the first version of this article, when it was arranged by country. In that context, I could understand all lands under the heading of Canada (for example) to mean "the most extreme northern point in all of Canada's lands" (perhaps distinguishing from sea/ocean territorial claims). Russia was listed with two "all lands" points, one for Asia and one for Europe (this distinction was lost).
Would there be any objection to phrasing the notes to reflect this? – Reidgreg (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Oh, a new furthest north has become established for Greenland since this article was first created, so that "all lands" statement has become outdated. See Most northerly point of land. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
According to Cape Columbia "It is the world's northernmost point of land outside Greenland." which makes more sense than "all lands". Or it could be the northernmost point of Canada. Point Barrow is the same in the United States. But should the northernmost point of all Arctic countries be included. Right now there is the US, Canada, Greenland, Norway, and Russia. Finland, Iceland, and Sweden are not listed but would have their own points. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 14:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I like the idea of including other arctic countries.
Another possible ambiguity is use of Greenland as a political entity and as an island. For example, Kaffeklubben Island is administratively classified as part of Greenland but is a separate island. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I would classify Greenland's main island as the mainland in the same way that Great Britain is both an island the mainland. I see the Russian list has five and I don't know what is the difference is between "proper" and the other two. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 09:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have replaced the "all lands" remarks with other remarks such as "northernmost point of Canada". You can review this.--BIL (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
That looks fine. My suggestion is to first remove the item "Roosevelt Range, Peary Land" as it's better covered in List of northernmost items. Otherwise why not include lakes and other things. The word "proper" seems confusing. There are four entries for Norway of which three are called "proper". Here's my suggestion as to how the table should look. We could add in the northernmost points of Finland, Sweden and Iceland. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply


Name Country Region Coordinates Distance from Pole Remarks
km mi
Kaffeklubben Island, Peary Land Denmark (Greenland) North America 83°40′N 29°50′W / 83.667°N 29.833°W / 83.667; -29.833 (Kaffeklubben Island) 707 439 northernmost point of land on Earth
Cape Morris Jesup, Peary Land Denmark (Greenland) North America 83°37′39″N 32°39′52″W / 83.62750°N 32.66444°W / 83.62750; -32.66444 (Cape Morris Jesup) 712 442 Greenlandic mainland
Cape Fligely, Rudolf Island, Franz Josef Land, Arkhangelsk Oblast Russia Europe 81°50′35″N 59°14′22″E / 81.84306°N 59.23944°E / 81.84306; 59.23944 (Cape Fligely) 911 566 northernmost point of Eurasia, including Europe
Arctic Cape, Komsomolets Island, Severnaya Zemlya, Krasnoyarsk Krai Russia Asia 81°13′N 95°15′E / 81.217°N 95.250°E / 81.217; 95.250 (Arctic Cape) 981 610 northernmost point of Asia
Rossøya, Sjuøyane, Svalbard Norway Europe 80°49′45″N 20°24′0″E / 80.82917°N 20.40000°E / 80.82917; 20.40000 (Rossøya) 1,024 636 northernmost point of Norway (Western Europe)
Cape Chelyuskin, Taymyr Peninsula, Krasnoyarsk Krai Russia Asia 77°44′N 104°15′E / 77.733°N 104.250°E / 77.733; 104.250 (Cape Chelyuskin) 1,370 850 mainland, northernmost point of mainland Eurasia and the northernmost point of any mainland continent
Murchison Promontory, Boothia Peninsula, Nunavut Canada North America 71°59′55″N 94°32′45″W / 71.99861°N 94.54583°W / 71.99861; -94.54583 (Murchison Promontory) 2,014 1,251 northernmost point of mainland North America
Point Barrow, Alaska United States North America 71°23′20″N 156°28′45″W / 71.38889°N 156.47917°W / 71.38889; -156.47917 (Point Barrow) 2,078 1,291 northernmost point of United States
Cape Nordkinn, Gamvik, Finnmark Norway Europe 71°08′02″N 27°39′00″E / 71.13389°N 27.65000°E / 71.13389; 27.65000 (Cape Nordkinn) 2,106 1,309 mainland, northernmost point of Continental Europe
I've played around with the table a bit, mainly the Rossøya entry (using Svalbard archipelago to be clear it's an island) and adding Cape Columbia. I also changed the Remarks header to Northernmost land of in the interests of brevity and added for Finland, Sweden and Iceland at the bottom (unsure how to calculate distances from coordinates). For Iceland, Kolbeinsey is eroding and in the same situation as the gravel shoals of N. Greenland so I listed the larger, inhabited Grímsey island. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Name Country Region Coordinates Distance from Pole Northernmost land of
km mi
Kaffeklubben Island, Peary Land Denmark (Greenland) North America 83°40′N 29°50′W / 83.667°N 29.833°W / 83.667; -29.833 (Kaffeklubben Island) 707 439 Earth
Cape Morris Jesup, Peary Land Denmark (Greenland) North America 83°37′39″N 32°39′52″W / 83.62750°N 32.66444°W / 83.62750; -32.66444 (Cape Morris Jesup) 712 442 Greenlandic mainland
Cape Columbia, Ellesmere Island, Nunavut Canada North America 83°06′41″N 69°57′12″W / 83.11139°N 69.95333°W / 83.11139; -69.95333 (Cape Columbia) 769 478 Canada
Cape Fligely, Rudolf Island, Franz Josef Land, Arkhangelsk Oblast Russia Europe 81°50′35″N 59°14′22″E / 81.84306°N 59.23944°E / 81.84306; 59.23944 (Cape Fligely) 911 566 Eurasia, including Europe
Arctic Cape, Komsomolets Island, Severnaya Zemlya, Krasnoyarsk Krai Russia Asia 81°13′N 95°15′E / 81.217°N 95.250°E / 81.217; 95.250 (Arctic Cape) 981 610 Asia
Rossøya, Sjuøyane, Svalbard archipelago Norway Europe 80°49′45″N 20°24′0″E / 80.82917°N 20.40000°E / 80.82917; 20.40000 (Rossøya) 1,024 636 Western Europe
Cape Chelyuskin, Taymyr Peninsula, Krasnoyarsk Krai Russia Asia 77°44′N 104°15′E / 77.733°N 104.250°E / 77.733; 104.250 (Cape Chelyuskin) 1,370 850 any mainland continent
Murchison Promontory, Boothia Peninsula, Nunavut Canada North America 71°59′55″N 94°32′45″W / 71.99861°N 94.54583°W / 71.99861; -94.54583 (Murchison Promontory) 2,014 1,251 mainland North America
Point Barrow, Alaska United States North America 71°23′20″N 156°28′45″W / 71.38889°N 156.47917°W / 71.38889; -156.47917 (Point Barrow) 2,078 1,291 United States
Cape Nordkinn, Gamvik, Finnmark Norway Europe 71°08′02″N 27°39′00″E / 71.13389°N 27.65000°E / 71.13389; 27.65000 (Cape Nordkinn) 2,106 1,309 mainland Continental Europe
Nuorgam, Lapland Finland Europe 70°05′18″N 27°56′30″E / 70.08833°N 27.94167°E / 70.08833; 27.94167 2,200 1,400 Finland
Three-Country Cairn, Lapland Sweden Europe 69°03′35.9″N 20°32′55.1″E / 69.059972°N 20.548639°E / 69.059972; 20.548639 2,325 1,445 Sweden
Grímsey island, Eyjafjörður Iceland Europe 66°33′N 18°01′W / 66.550°N 18.017°W / 66.550; -18.017 2,605 1,619 Iceland
That looks fine to me. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 04:00, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Done – Reidgreg (talk) 13:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply