Talk:Fagan (saint)

Move

At some point, a mod should go ahead and move this to Saint Fagan. We generally avoid titles but, where it's the WP:NATURALDAB, we might as well use it instead of this awkward parenthetical. — LlywelynII 15:31, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR

This edit established the use of the page as American English. The guy spoke Latin and missionized among the Celts who became the Welsh before the English language existed, so I'm not seeing any WP:TIES here. Kindly maintain it, pending some consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 15:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Etymology

The source on Fagan's etymology is specifically focused on the etymology of Dicken's Fagin and dismisses the connection to the Welsh saint owing to one of his sources using the alternate name Fugatius. A) Per Baring-Gould, the oldest known sources use Fagan in preference to Fugatius. B) Per Robinson, those early names may have been recent Norman inventions, leaving the obviously post-2nd-century Saxon and French names in play. C) The present COMMON use of 'Fagan' in English is as a (particularly Irish) surname, which is what the source is talking about. That surname, however, is not a native Irish one but a Gaelic-sounding import from the Normans and Anglicized Welsh who colonized Meath &c. I've seen the same etymologies given here listed around the web as origins for that surname, but nice to have the three gathered in one place. — LlywelynII 08:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Fugatius

Knight claimed that 'Fugatius' appeared in the "Annals of Rochester", which he glosses as an alt name for Ernulf's compendium, about a century before its Italian mention. None of the texts in the "Annals of Rochester" section of the Anglia Sacra has the name and he seems to have plucked a date for it (c. 1224) out of his ars. He seems to dwell on it, though, and presumably consulted something: possibly Winchester's? — LlywelynII 15:06, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 8 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved.

Although one editor in addition to the proposer supports the move, neither provides any evidence (or even asserts) that the article subject is WP:PRIMARY, but merely assert that he is most notable or the main topic. One of the two opposing editors produces page views which clearly show subject is not primary. The alternative suggestion by Bagumba has attracted no support. (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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• Fagan (saint) → Fagan
• Fagan → Fagan (surname)

– Most notable person with the name. Has long term significance, the name basically came from him. Sahaib3005 (talk) 16:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• No primary topic with Fagan (disambiguation) → Fagan and Fagan → Fagan (surname) A mere 9 views/day for the saint doesn't justify WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.—Bagumba (talk) 08:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - no evidence that the saint is the primary topic. It much better as now having Fagan leading to a huge list of names. If you compare the number of page views per month from randomly chosen people called Fagan with that of Saint Fagan, it is clear that even a sheep-shearer gets more page views that the saint.^[1]-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
• In favour of moving the article to Fagan. The saint is definitely the main topic. The surnames can be moved to fagan (surname) which clearly only merits a disambiguation. Even though, we live in a society eager for likes or views, our history (in this case Wales history) will continue to be an important topic even without getting enough likes or views as expected. If wikipedia were facebook then, I would agree with you that Sofia Vergara, who gets more views than Sofia, Bulgaria should get the primary topic for eg. Sofia. By the way, the comparison of a saint to sheep-bearer can be considered very offensive and christianophobic--Lambrusquiño (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Lambrusquiño - rubbish - you clearly know nothing about Christianity - the Bible talks a lot about sheep and people who look after them.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose fine as it is In ictu oculi (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.