Talk:Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan

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Isn't he more commonly called "Ridwan"? Every English account that I've seen that mentions him uses that transliteration. john k 23:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Me too, although sometimes it is also "Rudwan". Adam Bishop 23:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Requested move 30 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

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Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan → Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan – Though some source use Radwan, a lot of WP:RS, like Lewis, Runciman, and Cahen prefer Ridvan, while Bosworth uses Ridwan. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 17:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC) --► Sincerely: Solavirum 17:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure that the majority of sources use the 'Ridvan' spelling? My main gripe is that this would be contrasting with the common Arabic spelling (which uses 'w' and not 'v') used throughout sources (and also in Wikipedia for that matter) regarding this period. It would a bit inconsistent. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

HistoryofIran, I'm really not sure. Throughout A History of the Crusades: The First Hundred Years, which has authors like Lewis, Runciman, and Cahen in its team, "Ridvan" is used. Others, Maalouf, Hodgson, and Bosworth, use "Ridwan". Gibb uses "Rudwan". --► Sincerely: Solavirum 18:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

So that's just one source which uses Ridvan spelling then? That doesn't seem very convincing. Peacock uses Ridwan as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

So, Ridwan seems to be more of a WP:COMMONNAME than its other variants. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 21:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

• Supporting move to Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan, as it the WP:COMMONNAME. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 22:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
• Closing comments: I note previous moves indicated by the (now overwritten) page history of the target

21:01, 29 March 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  34 bytes +4‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan rollback: 2 editsundo Tags: Redirect target changed Manual revert
20:50, 29 March 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  30 bytes −4‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Radwan of Aleppo undo Tags: Redirect target changed Reverted
07:44, 16 March 2019‎ ZxxZxxZ talk contribs block‎  34 bytes +34‎  ←Redirected page to Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan thank Tag: New redirect

Hopefully this will lead to stability. And thanks to contributors above for a learned, interesting and rational discussion. Andrewa (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Melikdom?

Is the use of melikdom correct here? Melik seems to be an Armenian title, used, as far as I can tell, exclusively in a different geographic region (Eastern Armenia). I can't find any search results on Google for "Seljuk melikdom" or "Syrian melikdom". Perhaps amir/emir (emirate) should be stuck to instead? See, for example, Shams al-Muluk Duqaq: this article describes him as founding a "melikdom" in Damascusus while that article simply refers to him as "Emir of Damascus". Jr8825 • Talk 20:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

"Meliklik" is solely used in Turkish sources. I haven't seen the usage of "emirate" in English sources. Also, Melikdom is an Arabic term, not the other one. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 20:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Jr8825, it is referred to as Malikdom here. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 20:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! Jr8825 • Talk 20:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 04:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

• The short description should go to the top of the article (MOS:ORDER).
• "giving them freedom" → "giving them the freedom"
• "as appanage" → "as an appanage"
• Remove the comma after "reach out to Tutush".
• Remove the comma after "28 August 1097".
• "Duqaq latter feared" → "Duqaq later feared"
• "give Ridwan an opportunity" → "allow Ridwan"
• Capitalize Sufis.
• Remove the comma after "lands surrounding Aleppo".
• Sort categories in alphabetical order.

Comments by Solavirum

Fixed everything till the alphabetization of the categories. Y

Note that most of the background section of the article shares similarity to this article's background section, which we touched upon here. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 20:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)