Talk:False god
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editI fixed some problems again with this article. YHWH (or even Yhvh) is not an abbvreviation. See Tetragrammaton for a complete explanation. The word Noahide should be capitalized as it is derived from Noah. It needs to be made clear who holds the various views described in the article. Please do not revert these changes without discussing. DJ Clayworth (talk) 23:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Virtually all religions are monotheist and no religion is monotheist
editNotice most religions have a head god (Zeus, Jupiter, God, Allah, YHWH, Brahman, etc.), and a host of lesser divine beings (angels, demi gods, demons, spirits, ghosts, etc.). The one god differentiator is a false religious teaching that flies in the face of facts.
Let's face it, "Noahides" are de facto adherents of Judaism to some degree
editAfter all, Noahides are believing and worshipping under Jewish law, and are thus making pledges and acting under the auspices of Judaism, even if they aren't doing it to the extent of official Jews. So we might as well regard Noahidism to be a subcategory of Judaism. 198.151.130.45 (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Atheism and false gods?
editIs there any evidence / sourcing that atheist actually name one more false god than monotheists? Or is the false-god idol idiom never used in atheist contexts Arnoutf (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
It sounds like an atheist wrote this
editThe definition sounds mean spirited when I read it. The idea that the term "false god" is derogatory, is ridiculous. When people use the term false god, it comes from their viewpoint that their God is the only true God; so they are just stating a fact, and warning people, by saying it's a false god, not being derogatory. 2804:431:CFFC:F969:5462:EC63:8DD5:B9ED (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Should this be part of a series of Discrimination?
editAs it said in the article, it was a derogatory term, referring to a slur. Derogatory terms/slurs are aliases for discriminated people, and it needs to be added to this page and the template. Lilkitty200 (talk) 22:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fine by me. For that purpose I clarified how "shedim" became a term to discriminate other's gods/daimons as "evil". Previously, the relation towards discrimination was not made explicit in this section. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Issues in Islam Header
editThe header contains passages that use several references to pre-Islamic Arabia, without mentioning them as such. The original author used sources referencing pre-Islamic Arabia, and seemingly used his/her own judgement to interpret/superimpose their meaning onto Islam. (Generally, the whole article needs reworking) This is one specific excerpt in which the source exclusively discussing pre-Islamic Arabia. Any objections to me removing it?:
Other similar entities are the shurakāʼ ("partners [of God]"), whose existence is not denied, however their relation to God is. They are regarded as powerless beings, who will be cast into Hell after the Day of Judgment, along with evil jinn and fallen angels turned devils (shayāṭīn), for usurping the divine nature.[1]: 41 Western.galilee (talk) 14:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC) Western.galilee (talk) 14:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think we need to watch out what is meant by "other deities". Of crouse, Islam doesn't assert that there are different powerful beings next to Allah. It seems that Islam does acknowledge that the beings to whom powers are ascribed to, do exist, but not being Gods. The term "deity" often means "something subject to worship" without judging its influence or power-level. I think this is what the author had in mind. Yet, I see that it could be confusing to the common reader. The aricle shouldn't give false impressions, such as "multiple powers" within the Islamic universe. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- I suppose a better source would be a good first step. Western.galilee (talk) 16:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ Henninger, Joseph (2021) [2004]. "Beliefs in Spirits Among the Pre-Islamic Arabs". In Savage-Smith, Emilie (ed.). Magic and Divination in Early Islam (1st ed.). London and New York: Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315250090. ISBN 9781315250090.
Inclusion of the word Derogatory
editI think this inclusion is a non-neutral point of view, and I don’t see the sources provided as appropriately supporting it. The Oxford English Dictionary does not list the word “false” as offensive in sense III.13.b, and specifically provides the example of “false god.” Most words that Wikipedia describes as offensive are likewise described as offensive in the OED, and this discrepancy is one that I think should be examined. It has been brought up on this talk page before, but seems to have not been taken up. Ed is the standard text editor (talk) 17:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)