Talk:Fantasy football (gridiron)

Rollover?

Having played fantasy football for a few years now, I've never heard of the "rollover" concept described in the "Team rosters" section (Rollover). None of the information is sourced, I can't find anything describing it online, and I don't even think it's possible in the major online fantasy games. I think it's safe to say that this is a niche concept used in a handful of leagues and therefore not worthy of mention in a general article, but before I just delete the entire paragraph I feel like I should see if anyone has feedback or sources to support the information. Puhala,ny (talk) 23:39, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Update: Paragraph deleted but archived here in case anyone wants to discuss further.

In some fantasy football leagues, a player that receives a lot of points in one week may save them to use in a future fantasy game. Specific rules vary from league-to-league. This ruling has many variations, as does the scoring systems of fantasy football leagues, but the ruling that is considered to be “standard” is defined as follows:

Any team that scores in excess of 140 points in any one week is eligible for the rollover rule; provided they won the match-up for that week; and with the score of 140 points would have still won the match-up for the week. If the previous is true then the rollover ruling applies, which states; “any team eligible for the rule may use the points earned in excess of 140 on any future match-up for the remainder of the season”, with the following provisions attached:

The team electing to use rollover points must make it publicly known to all other teams, twenty-four hours prior to the kickoff of the first game, that they will be using the points that week; rollover points cannot be used for post-season games; rollover points must be used completely and cannot be broken up over multiple weeks, i.e. if a team has 5 rollover points they must be used on one week, not 1 point per week for five weeks; rollover points must be used in the current season; if rollover points have not been used and a team is eligible for additional from another week the points will be added and can only be used in one week.

Puhala,ny (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Merge from Fantasy football (Australian rules) and Fantasy football (association)

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To not merge, given the notable difference between the three relevant football codes. Klbrain (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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I suggest those two articles are merged here (they have problems with WP:GNG and this article is rewritten into a wider Fantasy football (Internet) article, describing this phenomenon. It's doesn't make much sense to divide it by rules; the subvariants of it (association, American, Australian(!)) are not important enough to warrant their own articles. Not that the name fantasy football (game) might be problematic given the existence of the popular Blood Bowl board and video game (there is also an unreferenced stub at fantasy football (board game) which I just prodded; I don't think there are any other notable games in this category outside the BB anyway). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

While I agree that the American football variant is far more prominent than the other versions of fantasy football, I feel that the distinctions in the rules (particularly between American and association fantasy) do merit having them in separate articles. The American football article currently outlines history of the game, team roster formats, and scoring configurations; in my opinion, to have separate sections doing that for all three versions would make the article too long and difficult to navigate. Puhala,ny (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd oppose this merger. The current content in fantasy football (Australian rules) doesn't reflect the sourcing that's out there – if that were to be included, the article would clear GNG at a canter and very probably become long enough that a merger would be impractical. And that's just for a sport virtually unfollowed outside its home country, so I'd expect soccer would have even more sources available. I also agree with Puhala,ny's point about how having to cover the distinct history and rules of every fantasy football format in a single article would make the article difficult to follow. It would be comparable to merging chess, checkers and go into a single article because they're all board games played with black and white pieces. – Teratix ₵ 12:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Oppose. Completely different games DiamondIIIXX (talk) 04:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I too oppose. Gridiron and association football are nothing alike. 223.177.50.183 (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Questioning an Edit

Dear Wikipedia- I am questioning why you deleted the section in the history of the league founded in 1980 at Case Western Reserve University(See below). Besides the original citing by Mark Podolski, we were specifically cited recently in a book by Larry Schechter, The History of Fantasy Sports, as the second oldest fantasy football league still in existence(Page 40). None of the other leagues that you grouped us with in the most recent wikipedia entry were covered as extensively as we were in Mr. Schechter's book. My request is to reinstate the original post below due to the recent book coverage and the fact that we are actually the oldest "private" league still in existence. Thank you for your consideration!

In 1980, a group of six students at Case Western Reserve University inof Cleveland, Ohio foundedin the Indoor Football League1980, another still in operation today. Charter members Tom Spear and Jeff Kornreich came up with the idea of forming a league after reading an article in the September 1980 issue of Inside Sports magazine that outlined the basic concept of fantasy football.<ref name="Podolski" JeffK1958 (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, thanks for the input. Since this page presents an overview of fantasy football and its history, profiling individual leagues is somewhat outside its scope. In some cases, there may be a genuine reason for mentioning a league. After all, being one of the first to do something is important. That's why your league is currently referenced on the page. However, information about its founders and how the league was conceived, while important to your league specifically, is less vital to the broader history of fantasy football.

The current statement emphasizes that fantasy football spread across the country over time, that early leagues were typically founded by groups of schoolmates, and that some early leagues possessed the longevity to last several decades. These points, supported by the example leagues listed, describe fantasy football in broad strokes rather than delving too deeply into the backstory of one league or another.

Thank you for bringing Schechter's work to my attention. I'll consider buying a copy, as it may be useful in adding more information to the page. Puhala,ny (talk) 15:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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