Talk:Far Rockaway, Queens

Should we change "haredi" to "chasid"? mwinog2777Mwinog2777 18:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

"though the westernmost portion still remains mostly Irish"? Must be talking about Belle Harbor neponsit breezy point. These places are far from Far Rockaway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlushinQwnzNyc (talk • contribs) 03:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Needs A History Section

Should include an answer to the following question: Where did the name "Rockaway" come from?

Sean7phil (talk) 23:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Bernie Madoff

The web page A Raven from Laurelton: Growing up Madoff lists Madoff as growing up at 139-54 228th St. in Laurelton, Queens, traveling to Far Rockaway High School by LIRR. Therefore, I am removing him from the list of famous residents. --PloniAlmoni (talk) 11:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Are there any other "institutions"...

besides Jewish ones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.136.54.23 (talk) 01:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC) NOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPEEEEEE just jewish.

{{Famous}}

I do not know what is the purpose of this tag on this article's "Notable people" section. So I have removed it. It appears that everyone in this section is notable and referenced, but that this list may be incomplete. epic genius (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced the {{famous}} tag on this article. The "notable people" section in this article doesn't make any attempt at specifying a criteria for inclusion in the list. Are these people current or former residents? Born in the location? Lived for there some time (how long, minimum)? Or some other criteria? Since none is given, readers can't be sure of the relationship claimed between these people and the location being discussed. The list completely fails to specify the impact of these people on the location, as well; is is simply a list of trivia about celebrities? As such, it should be deleted as unencyclopedic. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I understand what you mean: it's not whether they're famous, but whether they are connected. I'll add info on how these people are relevant right now. epic genius (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

It's more so identifying how they're connected; what people are included in this list, and which aren't? I see that the tag has been removed again, but there still no explanation of the criteria for inclusion in the list. Is the lists for residents (how long, at a minimum?), people who own property in the city, or people who have had an impact on the city's development? Only the latter is encyclopedic, of coure; but the list appears to be a collection of people who's relationship to the city wasn't impactful at all. Many earned their fame only after leaving the city.

Further, the references provided are sometimes inadequate for the claims made. Or, at least, inaccurate. For example, Feynman is said to have "graduated from Far Rockaway High School", but the provided reference says "went to Far Rockaway High School". Attending the school doesn't necessarily mean graduating there. And he might not have even lived in the city; some students bus or commute in from outside the city for convenience or because of zoning rules.

The reference for Phil Ochs says nothing more than he died in Far Rockaway. Is that really enough to make this list?

I'm glad that you're interested and active in improving this article, but these lists are quite problematic and the fix won't necessarily be quick or easy. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Well... in regards to Ochs, I don't think his death in the area is particularly enough notability by itself. However, the list of people who were born in the area and became famous later is most likely notable, though I have not previously thought about the possibility that their inclusion isn't notable. Perhaps they should go under "Notable people from the area" instead? epic genius (talk) 01:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't know about the others, but Richard and Joan Feyn man grew up on Cornaga Avenue in far Rockaway where they were my mother's next door neighbors. 2603:7000:9906:EE65:613B:DD56:9348:C856 (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Edits to Far Rockaway

This edit to the article for Far Rockaway, Queens did a lot more than "Add Mary Gordon". Were the extensive other changes deliberate enhancements to the article? The link to Mary Gordon is a disambiguation page and there is no source here or in the article for the writer. Do you have a source to connect her to Far Rockaway? Alansohn (talk) 22:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that I missed the dab for Mary Gordon (writer); I'm still working on this. Yes, there is a source for her being born in Far Rockaway; it is the first sentence of the biographical section of the WP article on her: "Mary Gordon was born in Far Rockaway, New York, to Anna (Gagliano) Gordon, an Irish-Italian Catholic mother, and David Gordon, a Jewish father, who had converted to Catholicism before his marriage. And yes, I am working on the article to improve it. Please give me a chance to continue before you revert again.Parkwells (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

This source added for Gordon makes no mention of Far Rockaway. Do you have a source to establish her connection to Far Rockaway? Alansohn (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Chan did mention her Irish-Italian mother and Jewish father, which is what I was originally looking for. Found a 1997 Ploughshares article that identifies Far Rockaway as her birthplace and added it as source and cite.Parkwells (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

References

What was Dr. Rhein's name?

I'm asking about the beloved legendary father (and mother) family Doctors. פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 19:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Past and Present

Far Rockaway has quite a history. Not having a wikipedia article is not a reason to delete, especially if the deletion includes deleting sources too. Pi314m (talk) 12:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

• Pi314m, Far Rockaway has a wonderful history as a Jewish community. There's lots of details that could be added. But what's here is a mere laundry list of synagogues and yeshivas; we don't list all churches or all businesses; that's the definition of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As a first step, I will remove those unsourced entries. But as a next step, I will review the sources to see if they add anything to the article or merely confirm that a synagogue or yeshiva exists. Alansohn (talk) 00:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Alansohn, Yes, not a directory, but two stages of Jewish presence are Young Israel and Aguda. YI Wavecrest/Bayswater is there more than just one or two decades. These four (2 YI, 2 Aguda) are not just DIRECTORY, their presence is information. As for the schools, the public schools' citations are just confirmation from NYC Ed Dept. Pi314m (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Pi314m, there are sources available to write about the Jewish / Orthodox community in Far Rockaway and its early development, decline in the 1960s and resurgence in recent decades, but this isn't it. The White Shul is nearly 100 years old and the Jewish community is older than that. Shaaray Tefila, now in Lawrence, was a major institution in Far Rockaway led by Rabbi Walter Wurzburger and there's no mention of it. This isn't encyclopedic. This isn't about the history of the Jewish community, it's a laundry list of synagogues and yeshivas that exist now or in the past few decades. Alansohn (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)