Talk:Farlow, Shropshire

Requested move 13 January 2019

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No consensus for the proposed move at this time. bd2412 T 05:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

• Farlow, Shropshire → Farlow
• Farlow → Farlow (surname)

– The village probably has more long-term significance than the surname. However since it doesn't necessarily originate from this village and there are other PTM places we might just only preform the 2nd move and make "Farlow" a DAB page listing the village, the surname and the other uses like Farlow Hill Historic District. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Compared to a village of 445 population, the surname seems to have much more long-term significance as there are so many placenames which are named after people. If necessary, we can just continue to expand the current surname into a full DAB page. -- Netoholic @ 21:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
• Page Farlow is fully a disambig page now. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• Well I suppose considering there is coverage for the surname we should just move it to Farlow (surname) and have a DAB at Farlow. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose because it’s not PT. Also oppose surname article separate from dab - not enough. Current dab is great. —В²C ☎ 15:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  The only thing that is "Farlow" is the village so if we don't need a surname article there's nothing to disambiguate. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  I see your point but for PT determination we have to consider search terms as well as titles. People searching for any of the people with surname Farlow are likely to search with “Farlow”. Do we want to take them to an obscure village they are almost certainly not seeking? —В²C ☎ 16:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  I don't see how they are likely to be searched for with just "Farlow", its obvious that people would be titled in an encyclopedia with their first name. Why do you oppose to having a surname article and DAB page since there is coverage of the surname. IMO the best outcome here would be to have a DAB listing the places and the surname article since (therefor meaning that neither the village or surname is primary) there are a few other PTMs that don't belong on the surname article. Yes if there are only a few people with the name and there is no content for the name we add the people to the DAB but there is content. If not then we should change it to a normal DAB and list the village first. And in response to the point about the village being obscure you opposed to moving Unlikely to Unlikely (album) even though the album is clearly obscure compared to Probability and that article could reasonably be searched for with "Unlikely". Also a site:wikipedia.org Farlow and a main Google search returns the village. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  I, for one, frequently search for people using only their surname (less typing!), especially if it's a relatively uncommon surname likely to have only a smallish manageable number of hits/matches. Farlow certainly qualifies. That has nothing to do with how well known they are by their surname only. As to why I'm opposed to a surname article separate from the dab page, it's because the small number of surnames in this case can be managed efficiently on the dab page. I think separate surname articles are only necessary when the dab page gets unwieldy with all of them listed there. --В²C ☎ 20:00, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per B2C. In answer to Crouch's question immediately above this one, it is very frequent for us to take into account surnames when considering primary topics. For the most glaring example of that, see Trump. Many people (but not me) want to see that redirected straight to The Donald, but if Crouch's theory was correct then we'd probably host Trump (card games) at the base name rather than a disambiguation page.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:02, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  Amakuru that's because Donald is someone who is known frequently by only their last name (see WP:NAMELIST), IMO the current setup is correct for Trump since both are highly likely. I doubt any of the people with the name "Farlow" are. However do you agree with the alternative proposal of having a DAB at the base name and the surname at Farlow (surname)? Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:15, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale: Well, in general I would only support having such an article if it had some genuine prose on the name itself. Human name articles that are nothing but a list of names strike me as pointless, and might as well be dab pages. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 18:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.