Talk:Fasilides

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WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

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Alternate spellings of names

Not sure where to suggest this, but I'll try here: His name in Wikipedia is Fasilides. The article also lists alternative spellings Fāsīladas, Fāsīledes. Should not Fasiladas and Fasiledes also be valid search words to find this page? Internet also uses Fasilades, so perhaps this should also be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.210.46.118 (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no single, widely-accepted system for transliterating Ethiopian names into English; I've seen the same writer spell the same name differently due to publisher's preferences. If you believe these alternative spellings are common enough to justify their inclusion, then go ahead & create redirects for them that point to this article. The only reason I don't give you a green light to add these alternate transliterations to the article lead is that doing so ends up with a block of the same name repeated over & over with only minor variations -- which looks bad & discourages casual readers from reading much further. -- llywrch (talk) 19:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Danver source, tall claim of WP:SYNTH

@User:محرر البوق , you made a tall claim of WP:SYNTH in your edit summary. The Danver source discusses ethnic groups, and in this case Amhara people. If you disagree with in how the source was used, i suggest we let other editors weigh for example via WP:THIRD YonasJH (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Does the source cited mention Fasilides, explicitly by name? I don't see him mentioned, could you point out where? If he isn't mentioned then there is a good chance that this is synthesis. Is there a source that states that Fasilides was of Amhara descent, or is this something that is being determined by combining facts from multiple places? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 13:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Escape Orbit: it's on page 16, left side, above Contemporary History of Amhara. It mentions, Susenyos (r. 1607-1632), the father of Fasilidas, and Fasiliades (r. 1632-1667) YonasJH (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Well it could be argued that is synthesis, because it combines the source that Susenyos was of Amhara descent, with the fact that Fasilides was his son, to reach the conclusion that therefore Fasilides was of Amhara descent. But that's probably being overly pedantic. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@@Escape Orbit: but the source itself discusses the Amhara people as an ethnic group and it's history. It mentions several kings. It does not combines sources, it's that single source that mentions Zara Yacoq, Susenyos and Fasilidas among others. YonasJH (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

It says that his father was of Amhara descent, not his son, Fasilides. They are some Amharic sources (albeit unreliable) that state his mother was of Oromo origin hence, this is synthesis and his ethnicity should be omitted until we find a proper source explicitly stating if he was Amhara or not. محرر البوق (talk) 15:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Fact A = Susenyos was of Amhara descent (cited)

Fact B = Fasilides was Susenyos son (cited)

Fact C = A + B, Fasilides was of Amhara descent (not cited, synthesis of facts A and B)

So it is synthesis. But as I said, some things are so obvious it's not worth worrying about. Note that the article is not stating his ethnicity, just his descent. They're not quite the same things. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:13, 1 September 2023 (UTC)