Talk:Felice Bauer

Infobox

I've just added an infobox to this article; it has been removed with an edit summary of "we don't need an infobox, certainly not one with 3 mistakes". The former assertion sounds like mere opinion; if the latter is true, then unspecified mistakes (the contents were a copied from the article) can be corrected. The infobox should be restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was too angry to count right. I remembered Georg Solti and this. How will the infobox reflect that the place where she was born was then in the Prussian Upper Silesia and is now under a different name in Poland? Why was "Jewish" mentioned but not Kafka, while her relationship to Kafka is why we know her? Why was the place of death missing? - Here as in other articles, I feel that the infobox simplifies too much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Known As

Saying Felice Bauer is only known as Felice is, in the context of an article called Felice Bauer a contradiction of terms. It is also unsourced, and in bad English (the correct English construction would be "she is known by her first name only"). The misunderstanding originates apparently from the fact that Kafka called her so, which is quite obvious, considering they had been engaged. I am, therefore, unless somebody comes with a reasonable source for the statement, deleting it from the lead and whatever other occurrence in the body of the article. In case such source is found, I shall correct the syntax. complainer (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I fail to see the "only" you are mentioning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

It isn't there; it is how it would be in common English complainer (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, English as not my native language, please be simple. It is not the idea of the line (that I didn't write, this is a collaborative effort) to say she is ONLY known by her first name. How would you word that it's kind of surprising that she is known as Felice Bauer, not Felice Marasse? And that throughout the article she is not called "Bauer", as is normally done? - Thanks for teaching me a new word, btw, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that; in English, which is not my native language either, "She is known by her first name only" means, more or less, that people call her "Felice"; "she is only known by her first name" is ambiguous, but people could understand it as if her surname is not known to anybody.

Anyhow, you seem to be an expert on the subject: what do you mean by that statement, and do you have a source supporting it? Otherwise, we are discussing extensively something that is not going to be in the article:) complainer (talk) 22:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

What do you understand if you read "Letters to Felice"? Brod could have published the letters with a different title. Felice is as she is known to the reading world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

While we are at it, Bauer was born in Poland and, as far as I understand, mostly lived in Prague. Why do we have her in Project Germany? complainer (talk) 22:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Please understand that the town where she was born was in Prussian Silesia then (is in Poland now), that she lived for most of her life in Berlin, moved to Switzerland, then to the United States. She spoke and wrote in German. - Add projects as you see fit, reword the sentence to your liking or drop it, others will do the same, repeating: this is a collaboration, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

All right, I will remove the sentence. I am aware of the history of Silesia, and didn't mean to remove the project tag: I just wanted to make sure. complainer (talk) 22:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Just for curiosity: what made you think she lived in Prague? Ever? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, she seems to have met Kafka there.complainer (talk) 08:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I should probably keep my mouth shut at his point, I am laughing so much. - As the article explains, "Felice was in Prague on a trip to Budapest to visit her sister Else". Do you think they had exchanged hundreds of letters if they had lived together? May I ask what you actually read of the article other than its second line on which you commented, with a word I did not know until then, 2 minutes after it went on the Main page? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)