Talk:Ferdinand Paleologus

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Another one of your awesome articles! I will post my comments in a week. Sainsf (knock knock · am I there?) 17:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello again! Eager to read your thoughts :) Ichthyovenator (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• No dablinks, copyvio concerns or broken external links. "Plantations" is a duplink in Life on Barbados

Fixed duplink. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• Sourcing: Reliable with well-formatted citations

Well-written and interesting read :) My comments: Sainsf (knock knock · am I there?) 21:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• Just curious, what is "issue" in the infobox?

"Issue" means Ferdinand's children (for instance Henry VIII of England's "issue" lists some of his children) - Ferdinand only had one son, Theodore or Theodorious, so he is the only person that appears there. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• In the lead isn't pineapple too common to link?

Yeah, could be. Removed link to pineapple and to cotton and sugar, which I assume would also be too common to link. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• In Early life maybe clarify that his date of birth is not known and why we can assume it was July that year?

Yeah, added "(meaning he was probably born in early June)" right after his babtismal date. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• all other sources referring to him simply as Ferdinand Paleologus Can we be so sure about "all"? Seems too strongly worded, and can be easily challenged.

The source says "all other" but yes, I agree. I've changed "all" to "most". Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• As the son of Theodore Paleologus, Ferdinand might have been one Why "might"? I am curious why there is uncertainty in this if his father belonged to the dynasty. Or are his father's roots in doubt as well? This could be clarified earlier on, else If Ferdinand and his father were genuine members of the Palaiologos family later causes confusion

This is explored in more detail in the Paleologus (Pesaro and Cornwall) article I've done, but some of what's in that one could be added in here if you think that's necessary. In short, Ferdinand's father's tombstone records Theodore's lineage as originating with Thomas Palaiologos, the brother of the final Byzantine emperor. Most of the lineage on said tombstone has been verified, including the existence of Ferdinand's grandfather (Camilio Paleologus), great-grandfather (Prosper Paleologus) and great-great-grandfather (also called Theodore Paleologus) but the existence of the critical link to Thomas Palaiologos, a son of Thomas called John, has not yet been fully verified through sources independent of the tombstone. It seems quite plausible that Ferdinand and Theodore belonged to the dynasty, but there is that uncertainty. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, then I think a bit of clarification at the start will help then, because I too see how plausible it is and it is difficult to see the uncertainty as such. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 08:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I've added a bit more on this to the article. Ichthyovenator (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks much better. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 18:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• A list of his siblings earlier on will be convenient

Added a list of his siblings at the end of the first paragraph of the biography. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• Ferdinand would probably not recognize the current Clifton Hall Wording not really encyclopedic.

Yeah, replaced with "Clifton Hall has changed radically since Ferdinand's time". Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• On 13 October 1819, a great hurricane laid waste to much of Barbados No links or names for the cyclone of that intensity?

This is probably the weirdest thing about this whole thing, but I can't actually find anything on this hurricane. The source describe it as devastating but maybe it wasn't as bad as it makes it out to be? I can't find any link on wikipedia to such a hurricane and the only other source I've found for it yet is this random document which states that a hurricane on 13 October 1819 brought with it heavy rains, landslides, shipwrecks and killed two people. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hmm.. then may be say these particular sources mention a cyclone of that intensity? Else this kind of wording when no such cyclone seems to be in the records could be called wrong information easily. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 08:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I've changed the wording to "a hurricane swept over Barbados", which should be true. Maybe that works instead of having to ramble on about what sources say there was a "great" hurricane? Ichthyovenator (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 18:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• Theodore he is called Lieutenant Theodore Paleologue typo?

Actually not! Stevenson misspelled his last name in her novel for some reason. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh.. I was confused what the "he" is doing in front of "the". Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 08:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah shit I see now, yeah, the "he" is a typo. Removed it. Ichthyovenator (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

All concerns addressed :) Congrats on another GA! Should this person be listed in Royalty & nobility GAs though, if his roots are doubted? Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 18:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: Thank you! I think he can be listed in the "royalty & nobility" category because of the critical detail that everyone around him during his lifetime believed he was the real deal (i.e. he was seen as nobility) and if everyone believes you're nobility, that kind of makes you nobility regardless of your true origins. I of course also believe that he was a genuine Palaiologos, but I might be biased :)

If you think he fits better somewhere else, you're welcome to change where he's listed. Ichthyovenator (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Then R&N it is! Till we meet again :) Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 19:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)