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Archive 1

Fifteenth element ever discovered

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

What does this mean exactly? Surely 99 had already been found! Dajwilkinson 02:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Former Names

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

They should have mentioned centurium, a former name for fermium. --76.239.133.185 (talk) 16:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Density

Latest comment: 5 months ago12 comments5 people in discussion

Needs to be added. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

X Not done because fermium has no known physical properties (color, hardness, luster, density, etc.) Density is bold as it was your request. --3.14159265358pi (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

This paper could have a predicted value. Double sharp (talk) 05:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that if we know the crystal structure and bond length here, the prediction is straightforward using unit cells.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Fm should crystallize in fcc, like the divalent Es. (So should Md and No, but Lr, being trivalent, should use hcp.) Any predictions on Fm–Fm, Md–Md, No–No or Lr–Lr bond lengths? (They're the only four known elements where I couldn't find a measured or predicted density value.) Double sharp (talk) 07:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Estimated metallic radii (R_m) for Fm (0.198 nm), Md (0.194) and No (0.197), and Lr (0.171) are given in this 2010 book chapter (pp. 1628; 1635; 1639; 1644). The same reference says an earlier 1978 citation quoting an estimated radius of 0.194 for Fm, was "in close agreement". All four metals are expected to have close packed structures (i.e. a packing efficiency of no more than 74.048%) according to this 1976 paper (p. 243). Dividing their atomic weights (257; 258; 259; 266) by their atomic volumes (i.e. 4/3*π*(R_m³)*(1/0.74074)*Avogadro's constant) gives indicative densities of Fm 9.7(1)−10.3(3); Md 10.3(7); No 9.9(4); and Lr 15.6 g/cm³. This other 1976 paper gives a calculated density for Lr of 16.6 g/cm³ (p. 260), which is equivalent to a radius of 0.167(6) nm—quite close to the first figure I listed of 0.171. The densities vary with the cube of the radii so are very sensitive to a nanometre or two either way. I’d be inclined to list Lr as ~15.6−16.6 Sandbh (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'll add these figures. Double sharp (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, added to the infoboxes and list of elements (should be okay by WP:CALC). In circumstances when space must be conserved at the expense of detail, I'd probably write Fm ~10; Md ~10; No ~10; Lr ~16. Double sharp (talk) 09:09, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

That was allegro! Bravo! Sandbh (talk) 11:52, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! (^_^) Double sharp (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

To be more transparent I should go back and add notes to the Fm, Md, No, and Lr infoboxes explaining these calculations. Double sharp (talk) 05:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Arblaster's Selected Values of the Crystallographic Properties of Elements (2018) gives (p. 682): ²⁵⁷Fm 9.43, ²⁵⁸Md 9.69, ²⁵⁹No 9.95, ²⁶²Lr 16.82. Double sharp (talk) 19:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'll make some straightforward copyedits as I go - please revert any changes I inadvertently make. I'll jot notes below. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

...with A = 242–260. - I'd write this out as prose, hence "with atomic weights of 242 to 260"

~~ditto 'h' to hours (you have 'days' already just before)~~

~~link nuclide~~

~~you've used both actinide and actinoid in the same article. Any reason or can they be streamlined?~~

~~any potential uses of it?~~

~~I'd mention in the lead that it can only be produced in minute quantities.~~

I went ahead of the nominator and fixed those issues. In one place, there is a long line of "h" values, which I hesitate changing to hours, for brevity reasons. No uses because of enormous price and scarcity. Materialscientist (talk) 04:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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Production of actinide isotopes

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

From Greenwood and Earnshaw, p. 1262: "²³⁷Np, ²⁴¹Am and ²⁴³Am can be extracted from reactor wastes and are available in kg quantities. Prolonged neutron irradiation of ²³⁹Pu is used at the Oak Ridge laboratories in Tennessee to produce: ²⁴⁴Cm on a 100-g scale; ²⁴²Cm, ²⁴⁹Bk, ²⁵²Cf and ²⁵³Es all on a mg scale; and ²⁵⁷Fm on a μg scale....the remaining three actinides, Md, No and Lr, can only be prepared by bombardment of heavy nuclei with the light atoms ⁴He to ²⁰Ne. This raises the mass number in multiple units and allows the ²⁵⁸Fm barrier to be avoided; even so, yields are minute and are measured in terms of the number of individual atoms produced." Double sharp (talk) 05:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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Article changed over to new Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements format by mav 05:39, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC). Elementbox converted 12:00, 17 July 2005 by Femto (previous revision was that of 17:14, 6 June 2005). 6 June 2005

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Some of the text in this entry was rewritten from Los Alamos National Laboratory - Fermium. Additional text was taken directly from the Elements database 20001107 (via dict.org) and WordNet (r) 1.7 (via dict.org). Data for the table were obtained from the sources listed on the subject page and Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements but were reformatted and converted into SI units.