Talk:Fiat Uno

As a used buy, ex. section.

The old section: The best used buys are the post 1989 Uno 45 / 1.0l and the 60S / 1.1 Uno FIRE engine cars. The five door cars feel bigger and are more versatile. Five speed gearboxes are weaker than four speeds^[1]. Look for rust in the tailgate (except when plastic), doors, wheel arches, and sills^[2], but the Uno is no worse for rust than a contemporary Ford Fiesta^[3]. Other weak points are; the handbrake cable, clutch cable^[4], engine earth cable bolt points, rear wiper. Standard Unos benefit from fitting 145 or 155 section tyres. Uno 45s only came with 135s as standard. Standard FIAT made shock absorbers / dampers are poor and replacing them with quality aftermarket ones, will greatly improve the ride quality.

White cars look like fridges, Rosso Sporting red fades to a horrible pink. Lots of nice metallics are available.

Avoid the diesel^[5] - see above. There is no Haynes manual for it either.

Avoid the Selecta automatic - it came with an older type of engine and a penchant for gearbox self destruction which at todays prices will write off the car.

Unos are so cheap that they are almost giving them away. Italian style, with low insurance and high mpg on unleaded (from the late '80s on). They are great motorway cruisers because of class leading aerodynamics, with lots of space, and are good to drive - 'Con Brio'. All this makes a well cared for Uno a great buy for a post driving test first car, or a second family car.

My reasoning:

1. The 5 speed gearbox, later used in the Punto, is the better and stronger box.
2. The Wings and sills are galvanised...
3. Fiesta wasn't galvanised at all until 2005, Uno is mostly galvanised, the Uno is much better for rust, wheras the Fiesta is horrible for rust.
4. Mark 2 (post 1989) are on a hydraulic clutch.
5. The 1.6 diesel is an earlier FIAT unit with reduced capacity and the turbo removed, they are one of the most powerfull engines in the Uno and thanks to the state of tune are ultra reliable.

If this section is suitable for Wikipedea, it needs completely re-writing. The Uno is a very good second hand car. PiP 05:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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From the original author of the deleted section.

I have owned two Unos and maintain/repair my cars. Most of the information I put in this section was from a Parkers Guide buyers guide from about seven years ago. I believe that Unos are future classics due to the fact that Guigaro redefined the packaging of small cars with the Uno. The only difference between the Uno as a classic car and a disposable banger is perception and mis-perception. Being able to cheaply fix weak points is important in this. The Hillman Imp is now a popular classic car because of this process - their cooling problems have been solved. The scrappage situation with Unos means that unless the truth is out there, (on here) about the fact that you can buy this excellent car for the price of a bicycle, and have very low running costs, there won't be any left, which seems a shame. I think accurate useful information is what Wikipedia is about. Isn't it worthwhile and useful to a Wikipedia user to save them a lot of money and some important motoring heritage at the same time? Even the best 'low depreciating' new cars lose their owners more than £2000 a year according to Parkers. They are also bad news environmentally.

I once carried a fridge freezer in one. It was a revelation of practicality compared to other small cars. I also had a 205- nice drive and pretty but nowhere near as practical. I also added a lot of the earlier stuff about Guigaro, Ital design, Megagamma, Selecta, and diesel vs 45 FIRE to the article.

I believe that this section should be reinstated. The original Parkers archive article now appears to be offline. I may have a hardcopy somewhere. There were a couple more Uno Achilles' heels in the Parkers buyers guide.

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I see your point as to how this article may suit Wikipedia, but Parkers Guide is not the place to find "facts".

I think we should write it from personal experiance, I drive a K reg Uno 1.0ie Start (The very car pictured in the article actually). Some points that need mentioning are:

• Mk 2 is galvanised.
• Fuel econemy is already covered in the article.
• Diesel is very good. Despite sounding like a tractor.
• The Running costs are low.
• Rust is almost a non-issue on the Mk2. Except the doors, my boot was always fine.
• How much batter the fuel injected ones are, and how the Mangeti Mirelli injection is better than the BOSH injection.
• How the turbo can take a lot more pressure than rival manufacturers engines without spitting a HG.
• The common faults. I Had a fuel pump go (when we baught it as a non runner), how the ECU will just about write it off. I also had the coil go, something that only became apparent after long running at low RPM.

PiP 22:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Parkers have been recommended by Which? (Consumers Association). And have been going since the early '70s. They strongly recommended the Uno. They have a reputation for being accurate. The UNO article also mentioned the Tipo, Tempra and Maestro as good underrated, undervalued, practical cars.

If the big pluses of the UNO were all that there was to the story, it wouldn't have the undeserved general reputation that it has now. Fiat like Citroen, (when they were Citroen) are a curate's egg - good in parts. Imagine the success they would have had with their design and engineering flair if they had had the consistency of the Japanese or even Koreans. People generally don't care about marque history or Dante Giacosa etc. What they want is as functional and reliable and stylish car as they can get for their money. If they can be shown that the problems are minor and cheaply and easily fixable, then it will benefit marque enthusiasts by reducing scrappage rates and also the general buyers.

When a topic is started, Wikipedia states the need for balance. Balance gives the article credibility. The credibility has been deleted (by you?).

The 205 Diesel was the best diesel of its era by far, sharing its chassis with the GTI. It and the BX diesel by using the XUD popularised diesel cars in the mid 80s.

What is all this Diana UNO B.S. doing here? Isn't there a 'Diana was assassinated by space aliens driving a white UNO' article somewhere where it would fit nicely? How does an UNO cause a Merc S class 4 times the weight to crash and then drive away? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.36.117 (talk) 12:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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More like How does an Uno keep up with a speeding Merc.

I don't think there is precidence for an "as a used buy" section for any other car on Wikipedia.

And Which is by no means a reliable source. If you take a fact from their it should be checked against something. For example, the best diesel may well be the 205, but that doesn't make the Uno diesel poor, the diesel was the 2nd best engine in the Uno, and it came with the biggest brakes.

And I'm not sure where this myth that the 4 speed box is better came from, the 5 Speed uno was the test bed for the Punto 176 gearbox, which is a terrific box. PiP 04:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Well even if it isn't in an "as a used buy" section surely discussing actual weaknesses and solutions gives balance and credibility to the piece and should lend weight to comments about perceived faults being exaggerated. People looking to buy a used car are looking for reliable balanced information. Why shouldn't they look on wikipedia with its power of peer review?

Which? on motoring used to strive to be objective. They still do with most products they test. But, 10-12 years ago they decided that the opinions of members on cars was all that counted. Their opinion was heavily influenced by fashion. The FIAT Cinquecento fell from being the 'bee's knees' to 'absolute rubbish' in just two years. The readership and their aspirations have changed and are much more materialistic than they used to be. They only used to test the odd 'executive' car now there is a full section. The car market generally has become more of a fashion conscious part of the disposable consumer society. Looks and status and newness are more important than function and value for money. It's a mental illness - the Emperor's new clothes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.7.133.251 (talk) 00:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Notoriety?

Does this section really belong in this article - seems more appropriate in a death of diana article; perhaps adding this section to that article. This article could link to that section in a trivia section as a compromise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.228.173 (talk) 18:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

That section seriously needs reducing to about 3 lines. PiP 20:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Done, along with a bunch of other much-needed cleanups. The death of Diana needs to be handled in the specific article, not repeated (with the risk of corrections getting seriously out of synch) in lots of different places. – Kieran T ^(talk) 21:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Engines

Petrol:

Engine	Layout	Displacement	Valves	Power	Torque	Production	#Research Notes#
1.0 45 Formula	I4	903cc	8 OHV	45 hp (34 kW) @ 5600 rpm	67 N⋅m (49 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1984–1985
1.1 55	I4	1188cc	8 SOHC	55 hp (41 kW) @ 5600 rpm	86 N⋅m (63 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm	1984–1985	138-series
1.3 70 S/SX	I4	1301cc	8 SOHC	68 hp (51 kW) @ 5700 rpm	100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm	1984–1985	138-series
1.1 60 S/Family	I4	1188cc	8 SOHC	58 hp (43 kW) @ 5700 rpm	87 N⋅m (64 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1985–1990	138-series
1.0 45 Fire	I4	999cc	8 SOHC	45 hp (34 kW) @ 5000 rpm	80 N⋅m (59 lb⋅ft) @ 2750 rpm	1985–1990	F.I.R.E.
1.1 60 SX	I4	1108cc	8 SOHC	57 hp (43 kW) @ 5500 rpm	89 N⋅m (66 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1985-1990	F.I.R.E. was being produced in 1989 so 1985-1990 like the 999cc?
1.3 Turbo i.e.	I4	1285cc	8 SOHC	105 hp (78 kW)		1985-1989	Spec A
1.3 70 SX/SL	I4	1301cc	8 SOHC	65 hp (48 kW) @ 5600 rpm	100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1985–1990	138-series
1.3 Turbo i.e.	I4	1301cc	8 SOHC	105 hp (78 kW) @ 5750 rpm	146 N⋅m (108 lb⋅ft) @ 3200 rpm	1986-1991	Spec B
1.0 45 i.e./i.e. Start	I4	999cc	8 SOHC	45 hp (34 kW) @ 5250 rpm	74 N⋅m (55 lb⋅ft) @ 3250 rpm	1990–1994	F.I.R.E.
1.4 70 SX i.e.	I4	1372cc	8 SOHC	70 hp (52 kW) @ 6000 rpm	106 N⋅m (78 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1990-1993	F.R.E.E.
1.5 75 S i.e.	I4	1498cc	8 SOHC	75 hp (56 kW) @ 5500 rpm	108 N⋅m (80 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1990-1993	Selecta gearbox
1.1 50 i.e.	I4	1108cc	8 SOHC	50 hp (37 kW) @ 5250 rpm	84 N⋅m (62 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm	1991-1994	F.I.R.E.
1.4 Turbo i.e.	I4	1372cc	8 SOHC	118 hp (88 kW) @ 6000 rpm	161 N⋅m (119 lb⋅ft) @ 3500 rpm	1991-1994	F.R.E.E. Continued production in Brazil. Call it 1991- or 1991-1994?

Diesel:

Engine	Layout	Displacement	Valves	Power	Torque	Production	#Research Notes#
1.4 TD	I4	1367cc	8 SOHC	72 hp (54 kW) @ 4800 rpm	128 N⋅m (94 lb⋅ft) @ 2500 rpm	1986-1985
1.7 60D	I4	1697cc	8 SOHC	58 hp (43 kW) @ 4600 rpm	100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm	1986-1995

to bring it into line with the rest of the FIAT articles we should really follow the mark 1 and 2 sections with an engines table. Please add the the one above, when it's complete and correct we can squeeze it into the article, I am far from knowing them all. --PiP 20:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is list of engines to make table

Petrol:

• 1.0 45 Formula 903 cc - 33 kW (45 PS) @ 5600 rpm, 67 N⋅m (49 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1984–1985)
• 1.0 45 Fire 999 cc - 33 kW (45 PS) @ 5000 rpm, 80 N⋅m (59 lb⋅ft) @ 2750 rpm (1985–1990)
• 1.0 45 i.e. 999 cc - 33 kW (45 PS) @ 5250 rpm, 74 N⋅m (55 lb⋅ft) @ 3250 rpm (1990–1993)
• 1.1 50 i.e. 1108 cc - 37 kW (50 PS) @ 5250 rpm, 84 N⋅m (62 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1991–1994)
• 1.1 55 1118 cc - 41 kW (55 PS) @ 5600 rpm, 86 N⋅m (63 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm (1984–1985)
• 1.1 60 S/Family 1118 cc - 43 kW (58 PS) @ 5700 rpm, 87 N⋅m (64 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1985–1990)
• 1.1 60 SX 1108 cc - 42 kW (57 PS) @ 5500 rpm, 89 N⋅m (66 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm
• 1.3 70 S/SX 1301 cc - 50 kW (68 PS) @ 5700 rpm, 100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm (1984–1985)
• 1.3 70 SX/SL 1301 cc - 48 kW (65 PS) @ 5600 rpm, 100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1985–1990)
• 1.3 Turbo i.e. 1299 cc - 77 kW (105 PS) (1985)
• 1.3 Turbo i.e. 1301 cc - 77 kW (105 PS) @ 5750 rpm, 147 N⋅m (108 lb⋅ft) @ 3200 rpm (1986–1991)
• 1.4 70 SX i.e. 1372 cc - 51 kW (70 PS) @ 6000 rpm, 106 N⋅m (78 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1990–1993)
• 1.4 Turbo i.e. 1372 cc - 87 kW (118 PS) @ 6000 rpm, 161 N⋅m (119 lb⋅ft) @ 3500 rpm (1991–)
• 1.5 75 SX i.e. 1498 cc - 55 kW (75 PS) @ 5500 rpm, 108 N⋅m (80 lb⋅ft) @ 3000 rpm (1990–1993)

Diesel

• 1.4 TD 1367 cc - 53 kW (72 PS) @ 4800 rpm, 128 N⋅m (94 lb⋅ft) @ 2500 rpm
• 1.7 D 1697 cc - 43 kW (58 PS) @ 4600 rpm, 100 N⋅m (74 lb⋅ft) @ 2900 rpm

--— Typ932^{T | C}  20:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou, incredibly helpful, I've put them in order of 1st year of production, then engine capacity. --PiP 21:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The 1285/1299/1283cc Uno turbo is looking like it was only in other countries with 99bhp, And I've seen a lot of the 1301 Turbo's from 1985. Anyone found anything different? --PiP 20:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

If you look http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Uno there is something info, but has there been 1283 cm³ capacity? Carsfromitaly says it was introduced as 1299cc 77 kW (103 hp) (105 PS) and soon it was changed as 1301cc with same power and maybe after catalyst came it dropped to 73 kW (98 hp) (100 PS). And then the last version is 1372cc (1991>).

--— Typ932^{T | C}  22:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikki's page on the 138-series engines there were 2 sizes in the Mk1 Uno turbo; 1285 and later 1302, both marketed as 1301, other sources state a 1283cc Uno turbo, and your source shows 1299. It's all crazy. --PiP 14:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I think just have to choose one source, maybe that 138-series page, here is one more page with model data:

http://team.fiatuno.pl/index.php?id=wyswietl&go=modele

--— Typ932^{T | C}  15:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems the only reason for the differences was the addition of a cat, both were apparently marketed as 1301cc. Maybe we should put them in as just one entry, with 1985-1991 down as the production dates? --PiP 17:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added the table with the Mk1 turbo on one line, they seem to have the same power output, I'm leaving the table expanded fully here for any future research. --PiP 14:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Article classification

Surely this is better than "Start" now? PiP (talk) 23:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

A sucess in Brazil

This car was a complete sucess, in Brazil.Agre22 (talk) 10:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)agre22

Wrecks in images.

Must we use exclusively badly polished and beaten up examples in the photos? I was trying to rectify this but someone has replaced the shiny Mk2, with yet another badly abused example... - - - BigglesPiP ^{- Talk | Contribs -} 00:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Are Brazilians harder to fool than Europeans?

Just wondering... :-D

(As a Brit and therefore quasi-european who's noticed modern iterations of cars being rather inflated vs the old ones)

Original Panda ... 3350mm or so. Original Uno ... 3600~3750mm.

New "Panda" in Europe ... 3550 ~ 3700mm (and a similar increase in width) ... sold instead as the Uno in Brazil.

I wonder, did Fiat Brasilia figure that their buying public weren't going to swallow the idea that a car could still be sold under the same name when it had grown to match the dimensions of the model that was the next size class up originally, enough to outweigh the brand affection that the Panda had obviously built up (no matter the Uno slightly outselling it) over the ocean? 193.63.174.211 (talk) 15:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Fiat Uno unsafe by Latin NCAP??

Come on, this has got to be a joke. According to LNCAP, the Nissan Tsuru and Nissan Tiida are as much of a risk as the Uno and we know they are quite reliable. I just checked them out today. I suggest we remove this section gets removed until LNCAP gets a better reputation and gets more serious about their tests. Royalfighter01 (talk) 04:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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2017 production

The Uno was in production with new Firefy engine, see Fiat Brasil http://www.fiat.com.br/carros/uno.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.40.229.229 (talk) 11:50, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

SA versions of the Uno supplied from Brazil

At the reintroduction of the Uno to South Africa in 2006, it was supplied from Brazil. The most noticeable difference from previous models was the rear suspension, a fully-independent setup originally fitted to the Fiat 127/147 which was retained only in the Brazilian and certain Argentinian versions of the Uno, which also required a relocation of the spare wheel inside the engine compartment and the redesign of the engine bonnet and front fenders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F4:C480:47AD:0:0:0:2 (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)