Talk:Fidel Chaves

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Requested move 23 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 04:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

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Fidel Chaves de la Torre → Fidel (footballer, born 1989) – WP:COMMONNAME is just Fidel, as per all external references. Ortizesp (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 02:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 08:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose potentially multiple footballers by this name and DOB, confusing & ambiguous. GiantSnowman 08:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to "Fidel Chaves". (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Fidel Chaves de la Torre → Fidel (footballer) – WP:COMMONNAME of this footballer is just Fidel, in every reference and external link. Always omits his last names. No other footballer I could find that goes by the mononym Fidel. Ortizesp (talk) 14:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisted. PI Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 23:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Support although the player in not among the most popular and recognizable (to which the WP:COMMONNAME is mostly applicable) all the sources refer to him as Fidel. Also there are no other Fidel-s (just the name) in Spanish football at the moment that he could be mistaken for him or vise versa. --Less Unless (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose as per previous RM, there are other footballers by this name (eg Fidel Martínez as well as this and this). GiantSnowman 09:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Fidel Martínez doesn't play under the name "Fidel". This player isn't eligible for a WP page as he didn't ever play in a fully professional league, and this player doesn't have a WP page and isn't notable enough to have one as he has 1 professional appearance in his whole career. The only player that plays under this name on Wikipedia is Fidel Chaves de la Torre.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:37, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support, presuming this is the only footballer known just as "Fidel", no other footballer would be expected to be at this title, so there is no ambiguity. --В²C ☎ 00:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Fails WP:NATURAL. Parentheticals should not be easily accepted as part of a title, and certainly not for clumsy PRIMARYTOPIC claims. Fidel is Castro. In football, there are Okoye Tacardon Martinez Edwards and NnaBuife. Every player, for commercial benefit, would like to try for a mononym. Wikipedia should not get involved in that game. Rename to Fidel Chaves, per the native language article, would be reasonable, the current is a bit of an official surname that is awkward, and is it common to drop the land reference for surnames alluding to ancestral nobility. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Fidel Chaves as an alternative, although I disagree with the logic. Mononymous footballers are common, and I think Wikipedia should name pages according to how they are and not unsuitable legal names.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
    • Parenthetical PrimaryTopics are quite controversial, and unnecessary. This footballer certainly is not PT for “Fidel”, and the Wikipedian affection for parentheticals is almost absurd. Is WP:NATURAL important or not. Fidel Chaves as the article title of the native language article is, I think, a very strong argument. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:49, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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