Talk:Field hockey at the 1908 Summer Olympics

The article starts with: At the 1908 Summer Olympics, a field hockey tournament was contested for the first time.
However, the infobox has this: England (3rd title)
First tournament but third title? Which "3rd title" was this, if the number is right? At least not an Olympic title. 88.114.246.209 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Should be 1st title. Fixed. Thanks! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Flag of Ireland

User Djln insist on changing the flag of Ireland from to , I think it is wrong to use as Ireland did not have a "flag problem" at the time the games took place. It can be compared to the flag of Wales after all, as it looked like at the time and not . DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• @DenSportgladeSkåningen: Great Britain did not compete in this tournament so the Union Jack should not be included. Ireland has had a "flag problem" since flags were invented. The is the flag of the Irish Hockey Union. 1908 Home Nations Championship uses while the 1907–08 British Home Championship uses . Ireland did not have an official flag at time. So I think the flag of the Irish Hockey Union is the most appropriate. Djln Djln (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

The United Kingdom was represented by the four "home countries", England, Irland, Scotland and Wales. Still wrong, because that flag () did not exist in 1908. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 18:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Sorry the Four Provinces flag is the oldest of all the flags here. Djln Djln (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I've asked for opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics Djln Djln (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

No, it's not. "" is older than "". If I'm wrong, prove it. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 21:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

It's actually irrelevant which flag is older. is the flag of the Irish Hockey Union, which the 1908 Ireland team represented. "" was imposed on Ireland by Britain and it is not recognised as an official flag of Ireland by any Irish sporting or government body, except perhaps by the Irish Football Association and even that's debatable. I see from old messages on your talk page that you have been confused about the correct Irish flags to use before. So how come you are suddenly an expert a few months later. I wouldn't dream of editing Denmark related articles and telling a Danish editor which flags to use in them. Take some free advice from an experienced editor. Djln Djln (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

You are obviously not experienced enough to understand that the article has the "design" it had before controversial changes are made, status quo (I misspelled my comment), You are the one making the controversial changes in this case. You have read wrong, I have not had any confusion about which flags to use for Ireland, but in what sports the island of Ireland competes as a united national team. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 17:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

The fact that you don't even write a comment says it all. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have been an editor for over 15 years. I'm not exactly inexperienced. The article was poorly written and badly referenced from the start. Just because the article originally had one set of flags doesn't make them correct. It just means the original editor/writer was incorrect. I have written a very thorough explanation of why the flags you insist on using are completely inappropriate. You in your ignorance have just chosen to ignore it. What does that say about you ? Djln Djln (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I see you are of Irish ancestry, in which case you will know that at the time of the 1908 Olympics, Ireland was a part of the UK, and the flag with the red cross on the white background is appropriate, in as much as any flags at all are appropriate. You are welcome. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 18:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution even if it is absolute nonsense and complete bollocks. Ireland's sporting independence was well established by 1908.You don't even know the correct name of flag yet feel free to express an opinion on something you clearly know nothing about. Djln Djln (talk) 20:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Ireland was not an "independent" member of the IOC in 1908. All medals were counted for the United Kingdom/Great Britain. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I have noted that "Djln" has made the same controversial changes for the field hockey players who played for Ireland in the 1908 Olympics, see Allman-Smith, Brown, Campbell, Graham, Gregg, Holmes, Kennedy, Murphy, Peterson, Power, Robinson. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 11:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

That's disruptive, pointy and tendentious. I invite Djln to revert those edits or face sanctions. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 11:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

It amazes me that editors who know nothing about Irish sporting history are happy to dictate how articles about Irish sportspeople are edited. The 1908 Ireland hockey team, first and foremost represented the Irish Hockey Union, so their flag should be used and nobody elses. From his history I can see that DenSportgladeSkåningen has made no meaningful contributions to Wikipedia. DenSportgladeSkåningen behaviour is inappropriate, disruptive and borderers on vandalism. Please grow up and move on. I also I see that DenSportgladeSkåningen has been blocked in the past for 10 months for similar behaviour he repeating here. Djln Djln (talk) 14:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Unlike you, I have obviously good intentions. You do not seem to understand the fact that Ireland was not an independent member of the IOC in 1908. I'm trying to have a discussion, you seem to want to ignore it and just get what you want without a discussion. It is highly inappropriate to change as you have done, in the case of controversial topics. (Yes, I have been blocked but I have had it removed. However, I still think the blocking was wrong, but a couple of years ago I had difficulty with English, so it was difficult for me then to remove it. But my then blocking is completely irrelevant in this topic.) DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• You still seem to have difficulty understanding basic English. I have explained my points repeatedly here. In case you don't understand that is what a discussion is. You still don't seem to grasp basic facts such as the 1908 Ireland hockey team, first and foremost represented the Irish Hockey Union, so their flag should be used and nobody elses. Great Britain did not enter this tournament. Scotland, Wales and Ireland have had considerable sporting independence dating back to the 1860s. It is not rocket science. Maybe you should just stick to editing Scandinavian Wikipedia and leave English Wikipedia to the big boys. I don't edit French Wikipedia because I don't speak French. Djln Djln (talk) 16:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

It is completely irrelevant which flag Irish Hockey Union used then, when Ireland was part of the UK at the time of the Games. Great Britain participated in the tournament with four national teams. The medals England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales won count towards the United Kingdom. You don't fool anyone except yourself. Why should I leave enwp? When there are ignorant people like you? DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 17:03, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

DenSportgladeSkåningen, you are unfit to edit Wikipedia. If you carry on editing in this manner, I think it's only a matter of time before an experienced editor blocks you again. Calling other editors ignorant is totally inappropriate. Djln Djln (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• The simple solution is to remove all flags from the article - they don't really add anything anyway, and in this case are merely a point of contention.Nigel Ish (talk) 15:48, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nigel Ish: I would not be against this idea as a solution. I'd rather no flags than the wrong flags. I would be happy for you to carry out these edits. Djln Djln (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

If my behavior is inappropriate, then your behavior is equally inappropriate. You still don't seem to understand that the IOC did not recognize Ireland until 1922. But "Djln" is actually right about one thing, rather no flags than wrong flag () DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 19:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)