Talk:Hajime no Ippo

Name of the Article

This article should be called Hajime no Ippo because it was never licensed in English. I want opinions because my last comment about this was ignored. Gune (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Because the anime (i.e. what most english speaking people would recognize) was released in English speaking countries as Fighting Spirit. Let it go. 163.41.152.57 (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The manga is the official version. The anime didn't even sell well so you have no idea what you are talking about. Gune (talk) 18:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Both are 'official'. One certainly precedes the other chronologically, however both have stories and both are notable. Tyciol (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. The proper name is Hajime no Ippo. The anime did not sell well so Fighting Spirit is NOT the official name. The manga has never been licensed and is much further along than the English anime ever was. Gune (talk) 06:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of the manga is Hajime no Ippo. Calling it Fighting Spirit is factually incorrect. There is no Fighting Spirit manga, and never has been. Translating the name to The First Step might be acceptable, but Fighting Spirit(manga) is absolutely wrong. It's a name that exists solely on Wikipedia, no references, no citations, no existence, save here. To my knowledge this goes against multiple guidelines, and shouldn't even be a question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.23.208 (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

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name of the article

I had renamed it Fighting Spirit (series) explaining in my edit summary its about the series, more there about the anime and games than the manga(which might not have even been released in English)). This was reverted. If the manga was never released in English, why do we have an article for it here, instead of calling it by its actual official name? Why not have an article for the Fighting Spirit Anime and mention its based on the manga Hajime no Ippo and link to that article? Or since there is a lot of information for the game, not just the anime, why not have an article for everything and call it series? Calling it Fighting Spirit (manga) when there was never a manga released called that, is rather ridiculous. Everyone please respond and say what you think the name of the article should be. Dream Focus 22:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Everybody who calls the manga Fighting Spirit is a flat out liar. Since it was never released in English the name for the manga is Hajime no Ippo. Gune (talk) 22:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

So, do you want to have just the stuff about the manga moved to Hajime no Ippo or everything? Since the Anime was released in America, shouldn't we use the name people know it from and have Fighting Spirit (Anime)? The video games that were released in English already have their own three articles, Victorious Boxers. Would having all information currently in this article be better, or do you think it should be split apart? Fighting Spirit (series)? Dream Focus 22:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to move the articles. By changing the titles back to the originals (besides the article name), it gives the name of the manga as the original name. Since it was never released in English there is no English name for the manga. I never changed the title for the anime. I only changed the title for what was related to the manga. Gune (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• All the anime epiosdes listed should be in their own list, like the manga chapters are. List_of_Hajime_no_Ippo_chapters. That is standard practice. Everyone agree? Dream Focus 07:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

• The Fighting Spirit anime was based on the manga Hajime no Ippo which has not be released in English. The title of Fighting Spirit (manga) is therefore stupid, since no manga exist by that name, and most of the article isn't about the manga but the anime and video games. I still say changed that name to Fighting Spirit (series). Can everyone comment on the name change? And the parts of the article mentioning the manga should do so by its proper name of course. Dream Focus 07:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

The problem in this particular case is that per the Manual of Style of anime- and manga-related articles, "series" shouldn't be used and the original work, which is a manga, is given preference, despite the fact that the series is commonly known in English reliable sources by the anime title. That's why it's contradicting at this point, since the anime is clearly known in the English-speaking world and, as shown in the references used within the article, that's how it's commonly referred and per WP:AT that common form is given preference in the article title. But the manga is the primary work so the focus of the article, according to the MOS:AM, should be the primary work and this is supposed to be reflected in cases where title disambiguation is necessary, which is the case with "Fighting Spirit". I personally think that "series" works better than "manga" in the title, but a large consensus would be needed to make an exception for the article title. Jfgslo (talk) 14:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't. Piracy is huge in the world and far more people knew about Hajime no Ippo because of fansubs and the scanlations of the manga. The anime did not sell well in English so your logic that more people know the English name is complete BS. Gune (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

You are aware that fansubs and scanlations are not reliable sources, right? Even if piracy is big, reliable sources in English and verifiability are the threshold, not how many people know a series by fansubs, scanlations, fansites or any other form of unofficial sources. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Jfgslo (talk) 23:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Not the point. You said ", that's how it's commonly referred" Which isn't true at all. It is commonly known as Hajime no Ippo. Gune (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I said commonly known in English reliable sources. And that what it means when I said commonly referred, because reliable sources are the measure of usage in the English-speaking world. Fansubs and scanlantions are not reliable sources and are not a valid measure for common usage in the English speaking world, no matter how fans of them might perceive them. Jfgslo (talk) 04:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• The manual style of writing says "This guideline is a part of the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style. It will have occasional exceptions. Please ensure that any edits to this page reflect consensus." There is a valid reason to make this an exception. If everyone here agrees its reasonable, then so it shall be. Dream Focus 04:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm in favor of making an exception in this case but, as you mentioned, first there needs to be a consensus, so more people need to express their opinion here. I'd say at least three more editors because we are trying to prove that it's a valid reason to make an exception. Jfgslo (talk) 04:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

And as I am still saying. Even if those sources are "reliable" it is still wrong to say that the official English spellings are more known. Also yes more people are needed for a consensus. Gune (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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Fighting Spirit (manga) → Hajime no Ippo – The manga (main topic of this article) isn't published in English-speaking countries, and it's well-known as Hajime no Ippo. Fighting Spirit was the title Geneon USA (doesn't exist anymore) choosed for the 1st season of the anime that they released on DVD. NTV, the main producer and copyright holder of the anime, presents the 1st season as Hajime no Ippo : The Fighting! in its English catalog (and mentions that it is "based on the manga "HAJIME NO IPPO"). A new development is that Crunchyroll is currently streaming the anime (3rd season) under the title Hajime no Ippo: The Fighting! Raamin (talk) 03:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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