Talk:Filipino orthography

Filipinized spelling

I pointed out in the links section the fact that there are many possible ways to Filipinize a foreign word using the 2001 rules (which is merely a green light for the use of letters not native to Tagalog). Examples are:

• geography (if not heograpiya or heografiya): jiyografi, jiografi (if indeed intervocalic glottal stops would not anymore exist in Filipino);
• scholar: skolar (we can’t just ignore the fact that many Metro Manileños can pronounce initial /s/-clusters), iskolar, eskolar, skalr, eskalr, iskalr;
• Filipinized (if not Filipinisado): Filipinayzd, Filipinazd, Filipinozd;
• trivia: trivya, triviya, trivia (see note on jiografi above), tribya;
• social: sosyal, sowsyal, sowsyl, sosyl;
• gigante: higante, hegante (as used in the blog), syigante, syegante;
• extra: ekstra, ikstra, estra, istra;
• Australia: Ostreliya, Ostrelya, Ostrelia (see note on jiografi above), Ostraya, Straya, (or even) Estraya, Istraya (and for Spanish) Awstralya, Australia (again, see note on jiografi).

And those are just some. Personally, I would just let foreign words assimilate themselves naturally into Filipino over time. After all, accents abound, and transcription (without regard to etymology) would result in either a multitude of spellings (as demonstrated above) or the unacceptable imposition (as opposed to gradual and consensual acceptance among the general populace) of a single set of pronunciation rules.

Looks like the "Komisyon" has codified Filipino/Tagalog orthography. [1]. Joemaza (talk) 08:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Checked out the link. The authors acknowledged toward the end of the document however that Filipino orthography has not been (re-)codified: "Sa puntong ito, kailangang linawin na walang ganap na bagong kalakaran at kumbensyon sa patnubay na ito. Ang marami rito ay dati nang mga kaalaman at tuntunin na naipahayag, naimungkahi o naiharap na sa nakaraan, subalit sa di malamang dahilan ay naiwaksi at nakalimutan. Sa ganang amin, ang muling pagpapahayag ng mga subok na at nakagawian nang tuntunin ay hindi masama kundi mabuting bagay." --Pare Mo (talk) 15:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Filipinized spelling of loan words is based on the orthography of the Sentro ng Wikang Filipino and NOT the Komisyon ng Wikang Filipino 141.3.25.109 (talk) 21:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Collation/Order

What is the order now? Does K still follow B, or has it now returned to following J? Joemaza 22:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The alphabet used since 1987 (I think) for Filipino, is 28 letters. So the same order as in English, with Ñ and the digraph NG. So yes, K is after J. --Chris S. 03:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This is probably more of a consistency issue, but while the UP Filipino Dictionary (at least the 1^st edition) lists the entries under Ñ and NG after those of N, within entries of the same letter the combination ‘ng’ almost always comes before ‘ny’.

I'd LOVE to get a copy of that dictionary. How do I go about getting it? According to the link, it hasn't been released yet.

But, return to the issues of order... When the letter begins with these letters it's, N, Ñ, NG... But, let's say within words... -na-, -ng-, -nga-, -ngg- , -ny-, -ñ- ?

Joemaza (talk) 23:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Macasáquit

Is it possible for someone to give the reference for this? Not only would it be useful (as the only given reference in the article doesn't include any of the names) but I'm interested in learning its origins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.241.89 (talk) 18:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Alphabet

Is the Tagalog (a.k.a. Pilipino) alphabet the same as the Filipino alphabet? I know that Filipino has used the 28-letter Modern Filipino alphabet since it was created in 1987. However, does Tagalog use the same alphabet, or does it still use the "abakada" (A, B, K....)? Fr. Leo James English's Tagalog-English/English-Tagalog Dictionaries (for Tagalog) use A, B, K..., while the UP Diksyonaryong Filipino (for Filipino) uses the Modern Filipino alphabet. 71.116.123.214 (talk) 03:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Tagalog orthography redirects here

Kindly provide citations why is this. --Filipinayzd (talk) 21:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Final (yet incomplete) orthography

There is actually a downloadable, scanned version of the official and FINAL orthography from the Komisyon ng Wikang Filipino, it was finished some time in 2008 if I'm not mistaken. 141.3.25.109 (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

"Also called"...

Removed the "sub" headings that began with "also called...", as if it weren't already apparent. Joemaza (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

"Caharian" - The Spanish "hache" (H), not the "jota" (J), for the Tagalog H sound?

Do any of you guys know why this was so? I know that H is always silent in Spanish, and J, although a more "robust" sound, still sounds closer to Tagalog H (at least in my ears). JAE202.138.168.59 (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Zamboangueño/Chavacano DOES NOT use the Modern Filipino Alphabet

Issue Modern Filipino alphabet (1987–present)[edit] Main article: Filipino alphabet In 1987, the official language called Pilipino was renamed to Filipino. Article XIV Section 6 of the 1987 Constitution states that "the National language of the Philippines is Filipino. As it evolves, it shall be further developed and enriched on the basis of existing Philippine and other languages".[15]

The Pilipino alphabet was reduced to 28 letters, removing the Spanish Ch, Ll and Rr digraphs as these were not fully understood and declined in use save for proper names. The digraphs Ch, Ll, and Rr were themselves later abolished from the Spanish alphabet as individual letters, although they are still used as conjoined pairs.

The Modern Filipino alphabet is primarily English alphabet plus the Spanish Ñ and Tagalog Ng digraph; these are alphabetised separately in theory. Today, the Modern Filipino alphabet is used, and may also serve as the alphabet for all autochthonous Philippine languages and in writing Chavacano, a Spanish-derived creole spoken in Zamboanga.

Collation of the Modern Filipino Alphabet (28 letters):

This is to inform that the present modern Filipino Alphabet are not applicable and/or not in-used on the Zamboangueño Language or to the Chavacano Language as a whole. thus, the Zamboangueño Language has their own "Abecedario Zamboangueño" because the modern Filipino Alphabet is quite anglicized while Zamboangueño Own Abecedario is truly and uniquely its own which derive from the Spanish Abecedario as follows: A/a/, B/be/, C/se/, CH/che/, D/de/ E/e/ F/efe/, G/ge/,/xe/, H/hache/, I/i/, J/jota/,/xota/, K/ka/, L/ele/, LL/elle/ M/eme/, N/ene/, Ñ/eñe/, O/o/, P/pe/, Q/cu/, R/ere/, RR/erre/, S/ese/, T/te/, U/u/, V/ve/ como Uve or Ube, W/doble U/ X/equis/ o /ekis/, Y/i/ o /ye/ como Griega, Z/zeta/ o /Seda/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano_language).

Therefore, it is totally wrong to say that the Zamboangueño Language is using the Modern Filipino Alphabet. though we may do using the Filipino Alphabet but the Authentic one, "The Authentic Abecedario Filipino" with the inclusion or additional of two letters as follows NG/nang/ and ÑG/ñga/

Lastly, we the Zamboangueño Ethno-Linguistic Group, we don't pronounce Zamboanga as /Zam/Boa/nga/ but as /zam/bo/wañ/Ga/ with the dypthong "OA" which is pronounced as /wa/ or /owa/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.136.61.41 (talk) 19:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC) Acer_Cyle83.136.61.6 (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2014 (UTC)Acer_Cyle

Rename to Tagalog orthography

Article discusses all Tagalog orthographies, including baybayin, old Tagalog/Pilipino alphabets, and the current Filipino alphabet. 舎利弗 (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

"Majuscule"

The digraphs shown in the "Majuscule" rows of the tables are actually in "titlecase"... AnonMoos (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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Mafilindo spelling reform

During the 1970s, the governments of Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia agreed - if only briefly! - on a shared spelling system, called "Mafilindo". (This was the origin of the digraph "sy", previously "sh" in Malaysia and "sj" in Indonesia. Each nation had inherited the spelling habits of their previous colonial rulers: Great Britain, Spain and the Netherlands.) Perhaps this deserves a footnote at least? I don't have references, but it was published in Malaysian newspapers at the time. yoyo (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Repeated text

It seems large amounts of text are repeated twice. For instance this sentence:"Due to technical constraints, machine-printed"... Jidanni (talk) 10:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Add a description to diacritics

There is a small section about diacritics but it only mentions that they exist but not how to use them. I think it should include this information as it is relevant to the article and is not written anywhere else. BadEditor92 (talk) 13:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)