Talk:Fiona Bruce

Infobox - Ethnicity

Can I ask why the infobox for Fiona Bruce has been editied to include "ethnicity". As well as starting a frankly quite pathetic and deeply childish series of edit wars as verious people seek to re-classify her in one way or another, why on earth should her ethnic backgound matter? I notice that the infobox for Jeremy Paxman does not specify he is "English", and the one for Sir Trevor McDonald doesn't give his ethnicity as "Black". Do we now have to re-edit every single person on Wikiepdia that has an infobox accordingly, and seeing the controversy here, who exactly will decide which little "ethnic" box people are classified into? Indisciplined (talk) 20:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Photograph

Is there not a better royalty-free photograph of Fiona available anywhere? It might be better to have no photo at all than a distance shot of the side of her head. Mixsynth (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I concur, we need some more images, preferably the more sexually suggestive the better.--81.141.113.74 (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The current photograph is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on Wikipedia. I was going to remove it, but it's so stupid it's worth leaving as a monument to sillyness Vexorg (talk) 05:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I've removed it as it seemed to serve no useful purpose. Qwfp (talk) 12:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Port Sunlight

Think I saw Fiona Bruce on the Antiques Roadshow at Port Sunlight (recently) saying she went to school there. It would need a source before adding it to the article. EdwardLane (talk) 10:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

French & Italian fluency claim parked

I can't confirm the claim...

In a programme she presented for the BBC on Leonardo Da Vinci on 30 October 2011 she demonstrated that she was comfortable interviewing both French and Italian art experts in their own languages.<ref>{{cite web | title=Da Vinci: The Lost Treasure | date=October 2011 | producers & directors=Julian Birkett & Roger Parsons | writer & presenter=Fiona Bruce | work=Da Vinci: The Lost Treasure | studio=BBC Productions | year=2011 | access date=TV program first aired 30 October 2011 on BBC One | url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016xjq6 | time stamp=Fiona Bruce is speaking Italian at approximately 36 minutes into the program when speaking with Pinin Brambilla Barcelon, the restorer of Leonardo da Vinci’s The Last Supper and speaking French at approximately 48 minutes into the program when discussing the Mona Lisa with Vincent Deleuvin, curator at The Louvre.}}</ref>

...that was added a couple of years ago by Browne-Windsor (talk · contribs) (diff) and then sourced (diff) by Verogall (talk · contribs). So I've removed it from the article pending checking. If anyone would like to confirm it and restore the text please note that some of Verogall's citation parameters need to be changed to prevent error messages in the reference section. - Pointillist (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Blue Hair

She had blue hair for one week. So what?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Unilever

I realise that the Observer source cited does indeed say that her father was managing director of Unilever, aka Lever Bros, but I don't think it is correct. I suspect the significant word "a" has got lost somewhere between the interview and the printing, and that he was MD of a Unilever division rather than the worldwide company. Eg: [1], [2], [3], [4]. There are indeed some other sources that omit the "a" but I've spent a bit of time going through old Unilever annual reports and can't find a mention of him on the worldwide company board. On the other hand, there is a John Bruce mentioned here who may or may not be the same person. - Sitush (talk) 22:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Feline mannerisms?

The "Parody and humour" section says that in Dead Ringers, "Bruce is parodied by Jan Ravens, ruthlessly exaggerating her idiosyncratic feline mannerisms through overt sexual innuendo." I don't know what "feline mannerisms" are or why this sentence presumes that Fiona Bruce has them. In what sense does she behave like a cat and how would behaving like a cat be parodied with sexual innuendo? I'm also changing the phrase "overt sexual innuendo," because innuendo is by definition not overt. Sadiemonster (talk) 04:23, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I feel you may have been too harsh. The source from The Daily Telegraph does say this: "In the BBC2 comedy series Dead Ringers, the impressionist Jan Ravens exaggerated this idea of Bruce as a feline temptress, purring to camera, “Hello, I’m Fiona Bruce and I’m sitting on the luckiest chair in Britain.” Does Bruce, a respected BBC journalist of 20 years’ experience, mind being portrayed as a current affairs sex symbol?" But we might also want to consider this example? It's BBC so could be added as a source. Not sure that current description really stands up alongside this. Feline or non-feline. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Photograph (again)

Are we sure we can't find an actually good photo of the article subject?

The current one is passable, but only just. CapnZapp (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Diane Abbott

This was on the page:

Soon after joining Question Time, she attracted controversy and accusations of racism for the way in which she introduced Diane Abbott, the first ever black woman British MP, as a guest. She was further criticised for the manner in which she then emphatically but wrongly corrected Abbott who had accurately stated that Labour and the Conservatives were about level in various polls.

Well, to me this focuses a wee bit too much on the person Bruce, and not enough on QT and the BBC. Since DA has clearly stated it's not about Bruce specifically, maybe this is better reported on the QT page? Also I note that the Independent source is an opinion piece. I would prefer it if we could replace it with a more calmly neutral news piece.

See for instance: Ms Abbott said it "would be wrong to blame Fiona Bruce for all this. Question Time has had a new editor for some time, and seems more interested in entertainment than politics. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46943667

Do note I have moved this here temporarily. I don't object to mentioning the incident on this page. CapnZapp (talk) 14:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

The other problem with the current phrasing is "attracted controversy and accusations of racism." It's very clear, from the one source provided, that a fairer wording might be e.g. "Diane Abbott complained that..." or possibly, in line with the BBC source "The Labour Party lodged a formal complaint about ..." Personally I'd have no problem with having in this article as well as in the QT article. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

References

2017 salary

Should her 2017 earnings be given, in the article? in the infobox? I suspect a reliable source could very easily be found. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

per WP:INFOBOXCITE refs are in article body not infobox CapnZapp (talk) 19:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

S-media sorting

I started an attempt at sane sorting the s-media box (very end of article) in a chronological order (one alternative would be by programme name) but gave up. The order would then be:

• News at Six
• Weekend
• Crime Watch
• News at Ten
• AR
• QT

The last three would share the same Incumbent box.

Anyone? CapnZapp (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

"Moved reference to Reflist as the body text was getting difficult to read"

Gricharduk changed one out of many references with this edit summary, yet I see no discernible difference. What became so much easier to read to justify a special treatment of this particular reference? <ref name="difficult"/> to be specific. To me, it looks the same (except the reference being shifted a few words), needlessly adding an unusual and complicated reference structure? Please educate me because I don't see it. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

CapnZapp Hi, you are right - of course - I should have left it where it was or moved everything. I just found it difficult to read the source, but on reflection, I shouldn't have moved it, and it was a half-hearted attempt done in good faith. Please do move it back to the body if you wish. Apologies.Gricharduk (talk) 08:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

No prob. I'll leave it up to a third party to decide. Mostly just curious. CapnZapp (talk) 09:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Daily mail story

How long it will take till it will be in this article? 2A02:3038:405:5A8C:91DC:A2D8:FA64:297A (talk) 03:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Radio?

Has Bruce ever worked in radio? Although the article has two radio Categories, there is nothing in the article to support them? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Stephen Flynn - Aberdeen

There has been a recent update to the page concerning Stephen Flynn's appearance on the programme in Aberdeen. It claims Fiona Bruce 'persistently' interrupted Flynn which, on watching the programme, does not appear to be the case as he was interrupted by others on the panel too. It is also an argument of conjecture. According to a table posted on Twitter by a viewer of the programme - although Stephen did not interrupt everyone (he in interrupted everyone bar Alex Salmond), he was the panel member to interrupt others on the panel the most: https://x.com/OfOxter/status/1791463048453984405 .

The paragraph also suggests this issue was reported on widely. The only outwardly critical articles referenced came from The National. Other newspapers such The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/culture/question-time-fiona-bruce-stephen-flynn-b2546653.html) and The Express (https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1900210/bbc-question-time-fiona-bruce-stephen-flynn) did report on it, but not in a negative or 'controversial' way.

Should this new paragraph not be taken down, or at least, amended as it is not a wholly fair representation of what acutally occured on the programme? 2A02:C7C:D0D8:6600:7937:FA89:5485:436F (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

In the absence of wider press coverage, I think it could be amended. I also noticed that the two sources were "geographically associated." It now seem unlikely (but not impossible) it will receive any further coverage. Is it known whether or not any official complaint has been made to Ofcom? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)