Talk:First Nations

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See Talk:First Nations in Canada#‎Also - First Nations refers to Australian Indigenous Peoples

First Nations Development Institute USA

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talk • contribs)

I looked over the Indigenous Australians page, and I'm not convinced usage there is on par with that in Canada. I'm not seeing the sourcing to support it. And, per Yuchitown, it's really not used in the US. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

After getting wayback machine versions of the broken links... yes, there are a couple sources. But it's a much more recent, and not as widespread usage. Certainly secondary to the long-established Canadian use. The main source cited even says that they're choosing it in alignment with the Canadian Nations. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

First Nations is used worldwide to refer to indigenous peoples and is also is a term used in Australia.[1] its wording used in everyday media and Australian curriculum Now set up just like *Aborigine (disambiguation), American Indians (disambiguation), Indian (disambiguation), Native Americans (disambiguation) --Moxy- 21:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, as per Moxy- First Nations is used generally to describe native peoples worldwide, it's now probably the preferred option in Australia (as there are some issues in some quarters with the term Indigenous, which was the preferred term, but people don't like it now). I think in the past First Nations was predominantly used by Canada, but it's used widely now, I don't think Canada can claim ownership of it. Personally, I preferred the way its laid out currently, with it being neutral, rather than the page establishing some sort of hierarchical order of who owns it/uses it the most.Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Here are some fairly high profile Australian examples of the common use of "first nations" just to show the common usage:

• Australia's First peoples https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/australias-first-peoples
• "First Nations Peoples | Australian Greens" https://greens.org.au/policies/first-nations-peoples
• "First Nations people reflect on Australia Day and our national identity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPeYonlAeA
• "First Nations Media Australia" https://firstnationsmedia.org.au
• "First Nations Arts and Culture - Australia Council for the Arts" https://australiacouncil.gov.au › advocacy-and-research
• "First Nations Australians - Australia Day in NSW" https://www.australiaday.com.au/about/first-nations-australians/
• "The First Nations Peoples Strategic Advisory Group - Disability" https://disability.royalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-06/FNPSAG%20Terms%20of%20Reference.pdf
• "First Nations Foundation" - https://firstnationsfoundation.org.au/
• "First Nations - The Australian Museum"https://australian.museum/learn/first-nations/
• "National Library of Australia - First Nations Family History" https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/finding-indigenous-family-history?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs9WfnIXh9QIVQJpmAh1Lng5QEAMYASAAEgI8YPD_BwE
• "First Nations | Rugby Australia" - https://australia.rugby/diversity/first-nations

• Think link to Native Americans or more specifically those from the Pacific coast would help our readers considering that many tribal groups are known officially by names that include "nation". Thinking helping readers over some sort of strict usage should be applied here as in line with the other indigenous disambiguation pages. Would be better to provide access for our readers to articles were terminologies explained over omission because of bias.Moxy- 15:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Quite a few Tribal Nations in the US do use the word, "Nation", at least informally, but the specific term "First Nations" is not officially used by Tribal Nations in the US. To put US tribes in the list would be WP:OR and incorrect. As for the occasional incorrect usage that may crop up, like for that student radio show, it's enough to have the link down in the See Also's, as it is in the current version. I agree that "First Nations" is now in use in Australia, so Australia is now included; it's just relevant to note that the Australian usage is more recent. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I can see it would perhaps help the user, but OTOH I'm not sure because a group calls themselves "Cherokee Nation" - they should be included on the "First Nations" page... it really is about redirecting people who are looking for that specific phrase. If it was to be done, they should be in a separate section from the communities that actually use the phrase to describe themself. Just my 2c.Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure why there is an aversion to using a term for Americans that they use themselves oregons-first-nations-pow-wow. All we can do is hope education in the future will address this with the next generation as seen here or here. Find it very odd people just guess as to what is used over looking..... luckily American institutions are up to speed with terminology. Moxy- 23:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that the aversion is that it is not a term generally used by community members in the US. I find that most people identify by individual community and then collectively either as Indigenous, Native or Native American in the United States, in Canada it's generally by community, then Indigenous then First Nations(or Inuit or Metis). It's odd to me that an institution would define People in such an odd manner in the US when it is not a term generally used. I'm First Nations (from Canada) living in the states. If I say I'm First Nations as opposed to my community people automatically know I'm from Canada. There's simply no question. Indigenous girl (talk) 00:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

That was certainly what I, as an Australian, observed on the recent visit to Canada and Alaska. "First Nations" seems most common in Canada. "Native American" in the USA. In the parts of Australia where I have dealings with "Aboriginal people", THAT'S the most common term, NOT "Fist Nations". HiLo48 (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)