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Criticism exists 78 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Criticism exists
Over-reliance on Grant Palmer? 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 1#Over-reliance on Grant Palmer?
Paul on the road to Damascus 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Paul on the road to Damascus
Smith's age in 1823 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Smith's age in 1823
How can this possibly be called NPOV 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#How can this possibly be called NPOV
POV tag 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#POV tag
Reasons for Reversion 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reasons for Reversion
Reverts after good faith edits 78 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Reverts after good faith edits
New Version 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New Version
New Discussion 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New Discussion
Current outline and proposed outline 13 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Current outline and proposed outline
Forking for editorial purposes 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Forking for editorial purposes
Towards consensus 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Towards consensus
Sorry if I messed up the discussion... 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Sorry if I messed up the discussion...
Lane, beer and cakes 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Lane, beer and cakes
"Critic" and "critical" 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#"Critic" and "critical"
Differences in details 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Differences in details
First Visitation? 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#First Visitation?
Unexplained deletions 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Unexplained deletions
Accounts of the First Vision: Joseph Smith was Lying? 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Accounts of the First Vision: Joseph Smith was Lying?
First paragraph example of problems of whole article 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#First paragraph example of problems of whole article
Dates Mixed Up With Religious Revival? 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Dates Mixed Up With Religious Revival?
The Churchillian Defense 16 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#The Churchillian Defense
Where's the beef? 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Where's the beef?
NPOV overhaul 38 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#NPOV overhaul
New lead 17 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New lead
Statement after quote disagrees with statement in quote. 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Statement after quote disagrees with statement in quote.
Critics and Apologists 27 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Critics and Apologists
Let's try again 24 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Let's try again
Brigham Young's comments 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Brigham Young's comments
Proposed outline for NPOV overhaul 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Proposed outline for NPOV overhaul
POV-check tag 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#POV-check tag
wording change 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#wording change
Accounts of the First Vision 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Accounts of the First Vision
What's good for the goose... 17 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#What's good for the goose...
No facts were harmed in the restructuring of this article. 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#No facts were harmed in the restructuring of this article.
Breaking the collaborative truce 45 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Breaking the collaborative truce
Reversion 23 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reversion
Story of the First Vision 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Story of the First Vision
Reversion2 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reversion2
Facts and interpretations 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Facts and interpretations
We've got trouble! 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#We've got trouble!
Truth is worth fighting for 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Truth is worth fighting for
Let's try again. 43 Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Let's try again.
"Grove experience" 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#"Grove experience"
Contemporary Beliefs 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Contemporary Beliefs
Inappropriate use of revert. 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Inappropriate use of revert.
Proposed changes 39 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Proposed changes
Just the facts? Ok, if you insist. 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Just the facts? Ok, if you insist.
"Growth in theological importance of the First Vision" = criticism 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#"Growth in theological importance of the First Vision" = criticism
There are two main points of view, agree or disagree? 54 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#There are two main points of view, agree or disagree?
Condensation 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Condensation
Is this or is this not a violation of WP:NPOV? 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Is this or is this not a violation of WP:NPOV?
Tag, you're it! 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Tag, you're it!
Proposed deletion 38 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed deletion
Mouw quotation 25 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Mouw quotation
Mouw / Jensen quotes deleted from the lead? 13 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Mouw / Jensen quotes deleted from the lead?
Jensen 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Jensen
John Foxe reverts again... 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again...
Out of context 25 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Out of context
Edit warring over paragraph under "Date of…" 16 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Edit warring over paragraph under "Date of…"
Cabin date 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Cabin date
OED 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#OED
Removed Material 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Removed Material
Persecution 17 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Persecution
Exhorter 18 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Exhorter
The "exhorter" passage 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#The "exhorter" passage
Requested source contexts 38 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Requested source contexts
FAIRLDS is OR 18 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#FAIRLDS is OR
News flash: John Foxe uses the 'apologist' label in the article 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#News flash: John Foxe uses the 'apologist' label in the article
Joseph Smith is the 'who' of the First Vision but is well covered elsewhere 17 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Joseph Smith is the 'who' of the First Vision but is well covered elsewhere
Change in perspective 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Change in perspective
Nevertheless 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Nevertheless
Smith's religious confusion 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Smith's religious confusion
Faculty of Abrac 36 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Faculty of Abrac
John Foxe reverts again 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again
John Foxe reverts again, and again... 18 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again, and again...
it had never entered into my heart... 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#it had never entered into my heart...
Is FAIRLDS.org a 'reliable' source per WP:RS? 13 Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Is FAIRLDS.org a 'reliable' source per WP:RS?
Changes proposed 7/13/07 by John Foxe 37 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Changes proposed 7/13/07 by John Foxe
"Possible anachronisms in" = "Criticism of" 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#"Possible anachronisms in" = "Criticism of"
Compromise proposal #1 20 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Compromise proposal #1
Current Version 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Current Version
Protected? 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Protected?
Discussions 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Discussions
Spiritual tradition of the Smith family 16 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Spiritual tradition of the Smith family
What happened to discuss first, then edit? 16 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#What happened to discuss first, then edit?
Proposed Changes 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed Changes
Proposed change to Intro section 21 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed change to Intro section
Global change - 'version' --> 'account' 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Global change - 'version' --> 'account'
Another uncited claim 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Another uncited claim
Differences in "no true church" memories 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Differences in "no true church" memories
Exhorter paragraph 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Exhorter paragraph
Critics and apologists 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Critics and apologists
Time for action 68 Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Time for action
Introduction 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Introduction
A "critic" debate 21 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#A "critic" debate
Request for mediation 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Request for mediation
How to arrange and where to put the LMS non-mention fact? 22 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#How to arrange and where to put the LMS non-mention fact?
Exercises in neutrality and collaboration 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Exercises in neutrality and collaboration
Request for Arbitration 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Request for Arbitration
Changes proposed 7/28/07 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Changes proposed 7/28/07
Reversing the sequence of two subsections? 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Reversing the sequence of two subsections?
Context warning 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Context warning
Changes proposed 7/30 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Changes proposed 7/30
A separate section? 32 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#A separate section?
Outline for "section formerly known as criticism" section 30 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Outline for "section formerly known as criticism" section
Proposals for new 'reception' section 72 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Proposals for new 'reception' section
This article reads terribly.. needs major rework 18 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#This article reads terribly.. needs major rework
Abrac 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Abrac
"reworking, condensing, and pushing controversial matters into footnotes" 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#"reworking, condensing, and pushing controversial matters into footnotes"
Religious melee ???? 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Religious melee ????
WP:UNDUE, WP:OWN, majority, and WP:NPOV 18 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#WP:UNDUE, WP:OWN, majority, and WP:NPOV
NPOV Intro 39 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#NPOV Intro
Move of third lead paragraph 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Move of third lead paragraph
John Foxe Reverts Again... 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#John Foxe Reverts Again...
LDS movement vs. LDS Church 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#LDS movement vs. LDS Church
"How people have responded to the First Vision" section 16 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#"How people have responded to the First Vision" section
What is the point? 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#What is the point?
More factual accuracy questioning 25 Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#More factual accuracy questioning
Scope change from LDS church to LDS movement churches 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Scope change from LDS church to LDS movement churches
We're making progress 31 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#We're making progress
Facts needed 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Facts needed
The question is, what is a fact, not what is "Truth" 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The question is, what is a fact, not what is "Truth"
Similar 'Good Article' example 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Similar 'Good Article' example
Looks good 27 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Looks good
The Bottom Line 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Bottom Line
Attribution, or, IOW, "high-ranking-super-duper-mormon-history-expert-who-doesn't-believe-in-the-First-Vision John Doe wrote..." 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Attribution, or, IOW, "high-ranking-super-duper-mormon-history-expert-who-doesn't-believe-in-the-First-Vision John Doe wrote..."
Anachronisms section contains no anachronisms 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Anachronisms section contains no anachronisms
Third paragraph of lede 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Third paragraph of lede
Class B 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Class B
Beliefs and Questions 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Beliefs and Questions
Preparation for WP:RfC filing 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Preparation for WP:RfC filing
Historical facts versus Mormon apologetics 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Historical facts versus Mormon apologetics
Was the First Vision a divisive doctrine from the beginning? 37 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Was the First Vision a divisive doctrine from the beginning?
Wasting time 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Wasting time
Original Research / NPOV dispute - entire article 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Original Research / NPOV dispute - entire article
OR tag on "Questions" section 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#OR tag on "Questions" section
1830 allusion 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#1830 allusion
Oliver Cowdery account 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Oliver Cowdery account
Fundamentalist affirmation 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Fundamentalist affirmation
Maybe we are making progress after all? 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Maybe we are making progress after all?
Date of the First Vision 44 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Date of the First Vision
A thought 34 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#A thought
John Foxe "removed the Methodist minister story as unattested Mormon POV" 44 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#John Foxe "removed the Methodist minister story as unattested Mormon POV"
Submitted Request for Comments on John Foxe 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Submitted Request for Comments on John Foxe
Lane, etc. 50 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Lane, etc.
John Foxe reverts the lead 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#John Foxe reverts the lead
Problem with impugns 35 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Problem with impugns
The Church of Jesus Christ 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Church of Jesus Christ
Not emphasized? 38 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Not emphasized?
Not emphasized part III, Evolving importance part II 29 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Not emphasized part III, Evolving importance part II
The Cabin 42 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Cabin
Jensen - Mouw quotes 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Jensen - Mouw quotes
Reminants? 20 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Reminants?
"Critics" 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#"Critics"
Titles for section formerly known as criticism 20 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Titles for section formerly known as criticism
Sub page with a harmony? 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Sub page with a harmony?
AEB 1 37 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#AEB 1
Article restructuring 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Article restructuring
"flaming spiritual advance" 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#"flaming spiritual advance"
Time for arbitration? 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Time for arbitration?
Problem with the Joseph Smith Jr. personality profile 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Problem with the Joseph Smith Jr. personality profile
Thrashing 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Thrashing
Not emphasized, part II 19 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Not emphasized, part II
Bloated lead 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Bloated lead
Please clarify James B. Allen reference in the lead 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Please clarify James B. Allen reference in the lead
Fairness of tone in the lead 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Fairness of tone in the lead
Cruft 34 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Cruft
Folk Magic 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Folk Magic
Review by Community of Christ adherent Blair Bryant 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Review by Community of Christ adherent Blair Bryant
Evolving importance 34 Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Evolving importance
Section Switching 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Section Switching
Objective definition of 'fairness of tone' 42 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Objective definition of 'fairness of tone'
Arbitration? 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Arbitration?
Bloated introduction 39 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Bloated introduction
Little evidence 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Little evidence
Intro (again) 36 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Intro (again)
History section 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#History section
Arbitration 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Arbitration
Mediation 36 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Mediation
A new approach 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#A new approach
"Drivel" 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#"Drivel"
Treasure hunting and other "magical world view" issues 45 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Treasure hunting and other "magical world view" issues
John Foxe's changes to the intro 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#John Foxe's changes to the intro
Bot archival of this talk page 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Bot archival of this talk page
Fabricated / Devil POV summary deleted from the lead. 22 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Fabricated / Devil POV summary deleted from the lead.
Less active. 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Less active.
Tags 13 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Tags
Joseph Smith's magic world view 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Joseph Smith's magic world view
Removed W. Walters stuff 24 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Removed W. Walters stuff
Areas of concern 12 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Areas of concern
Appropriate attribution 14 Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Appropriate attribution
Revivals irrelevant 33 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Revivals irrelevant
Presbyterian connection 22 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Presbyterian connection
Mormonism Research Ministry 9 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Mormonism Research Ministry
No Vision? 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#No Vision?
Marquardt / Walters vs Backman on dating "unusual excitement on the subject of religion" 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Marquardt / Walters vs Backman on dating "unusual excitement on the subject of religion"
Treasure Hunting by Joseph Smith - NPOV 8 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Treasure Hunting by Joseph Smith - NPOV
The definition of insanity... 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#The definition of insanity...
Dating "Unusual excitement on the subject of religion" 35 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Dating "Unusual excitement on the subject of religion"
Too long headings! 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Too long headings!
propose to re-write "Contradictions" subsection 11 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#propose to re-write "Contradictions" subsection
Moved "possible 1830 allusion" section downward in article 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Moved "possible 1830 allusion" section downward in article
Issues raised by Lanthum 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Issues raised by Lanthum
Taylor and the First Vision 10 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Taylor and the First Vision
C.C.A. Christensen's painting of the First Vision 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#C.C.A. Christensen's painting of the First Vision
"To some academic students of mormonism....." 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#"To some academic students of mormonism....."
Second opinion request considered 7 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Second opinion request considered
Polygamy as defining element in Mormon Theology 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Polygamy as defining element in Mormon Theology
Possible editional text 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Possible editional text
Problems with FV article 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Problems with FV article
Joseph Smith did not state there was a revival 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Joseph Smith did not state there was a revival
Why is Backman's book not used as a source 2 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Why is Backman's book not used as a source
Teaching on the First Vision 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Teaching on the First Vision
Skeptical criticism vs. apologetic response 6 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Skeptical criticism vs. apologetic response
Is the latest "citation needed" tag really needed? 5 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Is the latest "citation needed" tag really needed?
Connecting two separate ideas. 3 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Connecting two separate ideas.
External links modified 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified
There is no direct, uninterrupted, quote of the First Vision in the Canonized version. 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#There is no direct, uninterrupted, quote of the First Vision in the Canonized version.
External links modified 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 2
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Broken citations 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Broken citations
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New side-by-side comparison section 8 Talk:First Vision#New side-by-side comparison section
Removal and movement of the section on Magic in the context section 5 Talk:First Vision#Removal and movement of the section on Magic in the context section
Conversion of Lucy Mack Smith to Presbyterianism and dating of the First Vision 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Conversion of Lucy Mack Smith to Presbyterianism and dating of the First Vision
Relevance of official proclamation 4 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Relevance of official proclamation
Deletion of "Methodist revivals within twenty road miles of Palmyra" phrase 1 Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Deletion of "Methodist revivals within twenty road miles of Palmyra" phrase
Undue weight of recent edits 7 Talk:First Vision#Undue weight of recent edits
Attempt of FyzixFighter to remove all reference to Lucy Smith’s original account of the First Vision 5 Talk:First Vision#Attempt of FyzixFighter to remove all reference to Lucy Smith’s original account of the First Vision
Need for a section of the vision’s effect on J. Smith’s character 6 Talk:First Vision#Need for a section of the vision’s effect on J. Smith’s character

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