Talk:Five-Pavilion Bridge

Reflects the moon from every arch

Chen Lifang (p. 178) and Luo Zhewen (《中国古橋》, p. 169) claim the bridge "was carefully planned so as to reflect the moon in every bridge opening during moonlit nights", which seems nice but also highly dubious for several of the short arches. Is it just wrong? or is there some missing context that makes it "true"? — LlywelynII 08:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Gold coin

Kinda bizarre. Apparently the bridge was featured on an official PRC gold coin in the year 2000 with a 1 kg (32.1 oz.) weight and a nominal 2000元 face value. Not sure how notable it is, though, since apparently only 15 were actually minted. — LlywelynII 08:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The Five-Pavilion Bridge in Yangzhou

• ... that Yangzhou's Five-Pavilion Bridge (pictured) was built by salt merchants to welcome the Qianlong Emperor? Source: Chen Shouxiang; et al. (2022), "Architecture of the Qing Dynasty", A General History of Chinese Art, vol. VI, Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, p. 389.
  
  Olivová, Lucie B. (2009), "Building History and the Preservation of Yangzhou", Lifestyle and Entertainment in Yangzhou, NIAS Studies in Asian Topics, No. 44, Copenhagen: Nordic Institute of Asian Studies, p. 9.
  • ALT1: ... that Yangzhou's Five-Pavilion Bridge (pictured) has been reckoned China's most artistic and elegant bridge? Source: "Five-Pavilion Bridge", Official site, Yangzhou: Slender West Lake Scenic Spot, 2023.
  • ALT2: ... that the Five-Pavilion Bridge's (pictured) pavilions were destroyed by the Taiping Heavenly Army but subsequently rebuilt? Source: Chen Lifang; et al. (1986), The Garden Art of China, Portland: Timber Press, p. 23.
    
    Olivová, Lucie B. (2009), "Building History and the Preservation of Yangzhou", Lifestyle and Entertainment in Yangzhou, NIAS Studies in Asian Topics, No. 44, Copenhagen: Nordic Institute of Asian Studies, p. 17.
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Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 17:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Five-Pavilion Bridge; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Looks good to go. I recommend the first hook. See details below.

• Article is long enough, new enough at time of nomination, neutrally-written, and precisely sourced throughout. No obvious copyvio detected (using earwig tool).
• All hooks are short enough. First hook is verifiable with what appear to be reliable sources. Second hook is sourced to a website in Chinese, which I'm afraid I can't read, but I'm taking assuming good faith (from reading the article, I take it that the comment comes from a notable architect, rather than just from the city's own website). Third hook is verifiable (I can't access Chen Lifang et al, but I see the relevant info in Olivová).
• Image is properly licensed, used in article, and looks great in thumbnail.
• QPQ done.
• All three hooks are interesting. I recommend the first hook: it's clear and a great introductory line for the topic. Next preference is for the third hook. Least preference for the second hook, mainly because it's a statement more likely to be seen as subjective, and in a way it's less informative than the other two hooks that focus on facts. That's my opinion at any rate.

Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

24 Views of Yangzhou

LlywelynII, what are or were the 24 Views of Yangzhou under the Qing? I can't see a source and I can't find an answer online. TSventon (talk) 17:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Try googling "扬州二十四景" or "Yangchow" "24 views". No, I'm not making it up and, yes, within China it's notable. It's Yangzhou's (triple threat) version of the 8 Views trope. — LlywelynII 19:49, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Searching for "白塔晴雲" "四橋煙雨樓" seems to bring up the full lists, although finding a reliable and well-digitized Chinese source (as opposed to unreliable Chinese websites copying the information without attribution) might turn out to be a chore. If you're invested and don't mind, yeah, we'll eventually need a 24 Views of Yangzhou page off of the 8 Views one and you're welcome to cobble the first bit together. — LlywelynII 19:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, 8 Views makes sense, but the fact should be referenced in the article. Googling "扬州二十四景" or "Yangchow" "24 views" did not help as the Chinese search brought up Chinese results, which I couldn't read, and I couldn't see anything relevant for the first one. The first result was a Youtube video about Yangchow fried rice with 24 views (presumably now 25 views). I wouldn't feel confident in starting an article where all or most of the sources are in Chinese. TSventon (talk) 11:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Date of construction

Note that

• Morris, Edwin T. (1983), The Gardens of China: History, Art, and Meanings, New York: Scribner, p. 122.

gives the date of construction as 1755, albeit without a year in the Qianlong era. Not sure if it was 2 years of construction ending in 1757, he's wrong, or the other sources are. — LlywelynII 20:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)