Talk:Five Races Under One Union

'Five Races under One Union'

I have yet to come across any scholarly literature that uses this translation of wuzu gonghe; it is more commonly rendered 'Republic of Five Races'. Cf. Harris, P., 'Chinese Nationalism: the State of the Nation', The China Journal, No. 38 (Jul., 1997), pp. 121-137; Leibold, P., 'Competing Narratives of Racial Unity in Republican China', Modern China, 2006:32. The previous translation is more appropriate to the original usage of the phrase in the 18th century than with the context of late 19th/early 20th century nationalist republicanism. I suggest that unless evidence to the contrary is produced that this be moved to accord with the normal academic translation of the term in this context. Cripipper (talk) 17:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Shall I take silence to be affirmation and propose to move the title of the article to 'Republic of Five Races'? Cripipper (talk) 15:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Use for Japanese puppet governments?

The articles for Provisional Government of the Republic of China, Reformed Government of the Republic of China, East Hebei Autonomous Council all display this flag in their infobox. Does that mean that this flag was used for those puppet governments? If so, a mention of it should be made in this article. --71.106.173.110 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes the flag was preferred by the Japanese army as no KMT symbols were shown on the flag. The flag was also used for several puppet governments. -- Ericmetro (talk) 05:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Pre-1911 usage?

If you look at the 1899 edition of the U.S. Navy book "flags of maritime nations", this flag (but with yellow and blue stripes reversed) is listed as being the "Provincial Commander-in-chief flag" under the empire. See image link, or page link, or general book link... -- AnonMoos (talk) 15:01, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Flag of Fleet Commander of the Beiyang Fleet

Beiyang Fleet use five stripes flag as their rank flag. However colors here has nothing to do with ethnic groups in China. Usually colors represents the fleets of Qing Dynasty navy and the imperial court.

• Chinese Imperial Nautical Flags: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn-imp.html

-- Ericmetro (talk) 05:51, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

If it was an influence on the 1911 flag design, it should be mentioned... AnonMoos (talk) 09:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I wish I could find some sources if the imperial rank flag had any influence on the five-colored flag designed in 1906. In my opinion this seems to be a coincidence. However Sun Yet-sen opposed this flag as the national flag of ROC in January 1912, saying it much resembles the rank flags of the former imperial navy. Yet the parliament set this flag as the national flag on May 10, 1912 in Beijing. -- Ericmetro (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Zhuang ethnic group

Why were the Zhuang ethnic group (in Guangxi) not included in the Five Races? 68.42.243.198 (talk) 06:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Once Zhuang ethnic group was mentioned in the ideology of Liang Qichao (http://article.chinalawinfo.com/Article_Detail.asp?ArticleID=64541): "合汉合满合蒙合回合苗合藏组成一大民族", here "苗" usually referred to southern ethnic groups (including Zhuang) in China at that time. IMO the ideology has been simplified later according to the population of these groups. -- Ericmetro (talk) 05:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Split articles

Maybe it is necessary to split the flag into another article: Five-colored flag. Five Races Under One Union (zh:五族共和) is an ideology of ROC and doesn't means the flag. The flag is called "Five-colored flag" (zh:五色旗). Those are two articles in Chinese Wikipedia. -- Ericmetro (talk) 05:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes by what the most commonly-used and established name in English is, not necessarily by what's theoretically most correct. AnonMoos (talk) 09:51, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - I agree with you that the name in English Wikipedia should be the most commonly used one in English. My main concern at that time is that, if we need to create an article for the flag (despite what its name will be). Five Races Under One Union (五族共和) is about a political principle, which is the design of the flag is based. -- Ericmetro (talk) 15:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

This might be a little old. But I really agree with the fact that the article should be split. Would you be willing to work on creating a new article for flag?

TsunTsky (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Link to "Hui People" seems to mean something different

Hui (Before 1949): Chinese Muslim (Including Hui people nowadays, Uyghur people etc)

Hui (After 1949): Hui people (nowadays) only

And this concept Five Races Under One Union is earlier than 1949. So maybe we should link "Hui" to something like "Chinese Muslim" instead of "Hui people" (which only means the Hui people nowadays) in the article. Or just use "Muslim"?

Yanrs17 (talk) 06:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Pinyin for 五族共和

I would have expected this to be "wǔzú gònghé" (rather than "gōng")? Is there an exception for it being "gōng" in this case? I can't find any other sources supporting this pronunciation. Adam31415926535 ^(talk) 13:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

It appears to be a typo. Remsense诉 19:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll update the Mandarin transcriptions, but I don't have the knowledge to check/update the Cantonese or Southern Min ones. Adam31415926535 ^(talk) 13:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)