Talk:Five Star

Going Live

Why no mention of "Why are you so fucking crap?" on the Going Live! phone-in? I'd add it myself but I'm not too certain on the *exact* wording and details of the incident. Angmering 09:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind recounting the incident, even though I was left somewhat traumatised by it at the time (I was 9). The incident occured on April 1 1989, when the group came in to publicize their new single, "With Every Heartbeat". The caller's name was Eliot Fletcher who thoughtfully phoned in with the request "...I'd like to ask Five Star why they're so f***ing crap..." before being faded out. The Pearsons laughed it off (bless them!) before Sarah Greene gave an "it's not big and it's not clever" lecture. It has generally been considered that Five Star were infact the unfortunate victims of an April Fools 'joke', and that whoever had been doing the phone-in that day would have been sworn at. I had thought about including the incident in the article but wasn't sure if it was entirely relevant. I guess if I (or anyone) re-wrote the article to be more in-depth and to include every aspect of their career (a'la the Elton John article!) then it probably should be mentioned. Crisso 14:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough — it's a good point that it might seem a bit out of place in an article which otherwise doesn't have that level of detail. Still, a bit of trivia that's probably the main memory of the group for a chunk of people in the UK, and now it's chronicled here on the talk page it can perhaps be added at some later point if and when the article grows to that level of depth. Angmering 16:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd love to write a really in depth article but I'm not all that confident in my article-writing talents at the mo (that's why the current one lists really the main basics). I'm hoping things may change the more I contribute to the site (although I'm also kind of hoping that someone else might do it so I wont have to!) Crisso 20:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Anyone know where I can obtain a clip of the incident would be really helpful for film studies?? - DS

It's here: [1]. Enjoy! Note that the applause is from the audience of the clip show; there wasn't any applause on the actual show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spandrawn (talk • contribs) 23:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Lorraine and Eddie Murphy

The article mentions Lorraine's 1988 engagement to Eddie Murphy. I remember hearing about this at the time, but was never sure if it was true or simply a rumour. The article doesn't make it that clear. Has anyone got anything concrete? Crisso 17:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

There are a couple of things in this article that requires citation and referencing, like the engagement and the bankruptcy comments. John Paul Rennie 09:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

County

Romford isnt in east London, its in Essex

Romford has ben part of London since 1 April 1965 - it is in the London Borough of Havering. F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Stedman Pearson's arrest for having gay sex in a public toilet

Don't know where to make mention of this, but given that it was referenced in The Virgin Encyclopedia of 80s Music, I think that the arrest of whichever member (Delroy?) for a certain... er... "deviant" activity in the early 90s is newsworthy enough for a mention here.

Also, the rather gushing tone of the entire article is blatantly inappropriate for an encyclopedia, online or otherwise!

It was Stedman Pearson, he was arrested in 1990 for having sex in a public toilet with another man. This ws huge news at the time, but I can't find any reference for it. I hope a cite can be find because it should go in the article. It's one of the 2 things people always mention when they talk about the group. The other one is the Going Live incident, which is also not in the article.

The 2 most notorious things about Five Star, and they're not even listed! Plasticbottle 04:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Why on earth are people concentrating on such events and not instead focusing on 5 Star's massive appeal in the mid 1980s. Yes, they do sum up that period in time very well, shoulder pads, heavy make up and choreography......but they were massively popular in the UK at that time. I do believe that they were RCA (UK) biggest selling act since David Bowie. Their rise and fall has been well documented, and sadly this article does not take an objective view of the band, but let that not detract from their success.

Yes they were massively popular with the 8-13 age group, however that doesn't excuse this article being written in such a biased fashion - must have been penned by a major fan (or member). Aside from the jarring reference to the band's 'unique' music, from 1990 onwards this article amounts to a delusional puff-piece. This band disappeared off the face of the earth (through rank though sudden unpopularity brought about by their trying to 'grow up') a long time ago, yet the article seeks to suggest there were credible rumours of them reforming right through the early 2000s. Perhaps in the minds of a few desperate fans and much more desperate 'band' members! Here's the URL for that Going Live moment for those who asked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg_s6aOp23M 217.33.119.112 13:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The article should mention all the things they were prominent for, and this includes the good with the bad. The Going Live incident should be mentioned because it changed the way TV phone-ins were done (they never took callers numbers before then) and also Stedman Pearson's arrest made headlines. Incidentally, 5 Star were not RCA's biggest act since Bowie...that title would probably go to Eurythmics back in the 80s.79.66.101.199 (talk) 21:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC).

I think you will find that in the UK alone Five Star did sell many more records than Eurythmics in a very short space of time. Only Rick Astley sold more. The Eurythmics did sell more worldwide inc. US, but we are talking about the UK.

Er, I don't think so. Eurythmics were successful for almost a decade and have achieved 18 platinum awards for their albums in the UK alone. Five Star had fairly big success with their second album in the mid 80s, but their sales tally only comes to a total of 6 platinum awards in the UK which is not even come close to what Eurythmics achieved. Not by a long shot!80.41.126.84 (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually you are misinformed about this. Although overall Eurythmics did sell more records, at the time that Five Staer were having their biggest success they did indeed shift more units than Eurythmics, as did Rick Astley. His debut was RCA UK's biggest of the 80s without any doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.230.197 (talk) 13:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, no. You are talking about ONE year, rather than overall. The original posting above that was questioned stated that Five Star "were RCA (UK) biggest selling act since David Bowie". That isn't true. Five Star sold more copies of their album in the UK in 1986 than Eurythmics did that year, but that does not make them RCA's biggest act since Bowie. It just means they had one particularly successful album. Same with Rick Astley...big first album, but did not surpass the sales that Eurythmics had already racked up by then, and so therefore neither Five Star nor Rick Astley were RCA UK's biggest artists since Bowie. It might have been more appropriate to say Five Star were RCA UK's biggest act since Eurythmics. 80.41.24.113 (talk) 10:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Neutral Point of View?

This article needs a rewrite. It seems to have been written by a bitter admirer of Five Star — all their misfortunes are either glossed over or blamed on other people.

Here are some (quite funny) examples of bad, unencyclopaedic writing:

• "In some respects the fantasy element to these tales and many others inevitably began to overshadow the music being produced (which had always been the group's main interest over publicity)."
• "In 1988, the group felt they had taken the unique musical sound that made their name as far as it could go and changed their direction to a more adult-oriented, leather-clad disco/rock/dance act (led by a 1988 Leon Sylvers III produced single "Another Weekend"). The harder edge and distinct Jackson feel to the sound shocked many fans who thought they had begun to lose direction by pandering to pop trends rather than staying ahead of the game." Oooh, what an edgy group of trailblazers! To think, I had previously considered them manufactured pop shite!
• "...later portrayed as a 'freak family' by the fickle British media which had, in turn, damaged their commercial success and credibility." The fickle British media? I mean, it is pretty fickle, but you can't write like that in an encyclopaedia.
• "Also in 1989, the group made an infamous appearance on British TV show Going Live, on which they were verbally abused by a teenage phone-in caller." To put it mildly! This is by far the most famous thing about Five Star: I would bet money that if you did a survey of the public, asking people to name something they remember about Five Star, the Going Live appearance would come out top. The incident should probably have its own section.
• "Whilst the album didn't set the charts alight, it was nevertheless a return to form for fans and critics alike. It was around this time the group took their first big break from the music scene and became more involved enjoying their new-found anonymity in adulthood." Aaahhh... A less sugary way to put it would be, "They faded into obsurity."

Anyway, I don't know much about Five Star, so I'm not going to edit it myself. But I think I've justified the {{rewrite}} template. Spandrawn 22:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

record for most singles off an album

Five Star only had SIX singles released off Silk & Steel in the UK, but this was a feat already done a couple of years earlier by Michael Jackson's "Thriller" (which produced six UK singles and seven in the US). Another single was released in the US (Are You Man Enough) but this does not make a record for the overall tally for singles off an album. (Incdidentally, the singles from Luxury Of Life dont count because the first two singles were released LONG before the album ever came out)79.66.101.199 (talk) 20:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Invalid references for arrest

There are two references for the Stedman Pearson arrest. The first does not mention anything about it, and the second one does not appear to be reliable. It is from a Russian web site, it gives no author or date, and it gives no details of the arrest. I would like to remove these references unless somebody can come up with better ones.--Jarhed (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Allow me. 80.47.75.120 (talk) 12:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Please join the discussion of these sources on the Stedman Pearson talk page.Jarhed (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Removing content as per BLP noticeboard discussion and lack of participation in content dispute discussion.Jarhed (talk) 07:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Chart positions

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