Talk:Fixed-base operator

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• Fixed base operator - I've never worked at an airport and mainly paraphrased other information on the internet. Someone with some authority really needs to go over this and add anything necessary. Bastique 05:03, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• • I've got personal flight experience and am familiar with FBOs, and I don't see anything that really needs to be added on. If anyone wants any further details or elaboration they could just click on the appropriate links (flight training, etc.) The tag could probably be removed. 24.9.10.235 08:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • I fly and I agree, there is plenty. Removing the tag. Reswobslc 05:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

HELLO... it's "FBOWEB"

dbchip; you appear to have some interest in a commercial competitor to the site "fboweb.com", as you have been deleting the links from all over the Wikipedia. The site is called "FBO Web", and by definition is EXTREMELY pertinent to the article. Please refrain from further vandalism and abuse and leave the link alone. I've even modified the link to have less "marketing-speak".

I've removed the mention of FBOWeb — we don't generally mention specific products like that in a general article like this, and the software used by some American FBOs isn't really relevant to the public functioning of an FBO. If it were, software like DUATS would probably merit mention first, since it's often used by the public at FBO terminals. David 14:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

AirNav is NOT COMPLETE

I'd like to suggest that AirNav, which get's far too much coverage on Wikipedia, be removed from this article. Airnav lists only those businesses that pay it money...therefore, the list is not complete. If noone objects, I will delete it in a few days.Fletch07 (talk) 05:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the situation is. AirNav certainly lists lots of FBOs that haven't paid (see [1], for example, where only one of the four listed is an advertiser), but I've noticed some missing recently, so maybe they're keeping the old ones that already have comments but not adding new ones. David (talk) 14:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Upon closer examination, it looks like Atlantic Aviation is missing from several airports (if not all). I wonder if they requested to be removed. David (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a link at the bottom of the AirNav page that says, "Add your Business or Service." If you click on that, you see all the other businesses that Airnav knows about, but is not listing, presumably because they want to encourage the FBOs to advertise with them. Makes total sense from a business standpoint, but it also means that the Airnav FBO listing is not complete. A simple Google search will find more aviation-related businesses than Airnav lists. I'm not saying that Airnav should be deleted, but there are other sites (http://www.fboweb.com/fb40/default.aspx) for example, that have a much more complete list. Unfortunately, there seems to be a small group of users on Wikipedia that will not entertain any other listings, and will remove immediately any listing that is not sanctioned by them. This behavior does not enhance quality, it squashes it. Fletch07 (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be best to leave both AirNav and FBOWeb out of the article. I've removed the AirNav link. David (talk) 13:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Dave, the remaining External Link doesn't do anything except steer you to aeroplanner.com after enter your search criteria. The truth is, there isn't a single site that is 100% complete, up to date, doesn't require a login, etc... I wish there was. To my mind, the best ones are Airnav.com, FBOweb.com, NavMonster.com, and Aeroplanner.com. In the interests of full disclosure, I am affiliated with NavMonster, but NavMonster doesn't exclude any FBOs like Airnav does...we just list all (the ones we know about). The "rules" for external links preclude me from posting it myself, but I'm hoping that you (and others?) will evaluate all of these sites for inclusion in the External Links section. I think listing all of the options helps the reader make an informed choice, versus a somewhat arbitrary and limited list. Fletch07 (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Clarification of the definition of an FBO

The language in the introduction was clarified to better define an "FBO" and as the term is now Internationally recognized, the statement limiting its use in North America, Europe, and the UK was amended to International. Within the history of the term, the ambiguous references to regulations was amended to describe civil aviation prior to the Air Commerce Act of 1926 and after, which was when the Fixed-Base Operator term started officially being used. Avolareaz (talk) 04:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Complete Rework of the Basic Definition, Services Offered, and FBOs in the United States

Over the past few weeks I have been researching the term "Fixed Base Operator" in official usage through the FAA and the DOT as well as the ICAO and have made substantial edits to the sections above with appropriate references to the FAA/DOT Advisory Circular 150/5190 that defines an FBO as well as how it is regulated by the airport. I have also removed much of the "anecdotal" or common-language wording in the "Services Offered" section like references to "tattered old sofa", "more posh facilities" and the like. Though not all FBOs are the same, I feel the use of subjective language to describe this business term as accepted before, should not remain a part of the article. It is my hope that this revision better clarifies the term and presents a more verifiable and professional nature to the article. Avolareaz (talk) 22:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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