Talk:Flag of Maryland

Cross ornament on the flag pole

So it being interpreted as it stated. A cross bottony is the same cross that is on the flag, it not Christian cross, nor will you, and i have never seen any cross but a cross bottony as the ornament on the flag pole. Also the cross on the top of the flag has nothing to do with religion, it has the same meaning as the cross on the flag, which is part of the coat of arms of the Crossland family, so their for it has a heraldic meaning nor a religious meaning. Say that is has any ramifications on the separation of church and state, is nothing but POV and opinion, so therefor i am removing it. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Alrighty, the rest of the info is still good though, right? I'm assuming so because you left it in? --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 06:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah it's fine. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 06:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Maryland One

Southwest's Maryland One I'm not sure if it's appropriate to put this link on the article page, so i'll just put it here. It's a Southwest Airlines planes they painted the Maryland flag on. It looks really cool. Only the maryland flag would look so good on a plane. have you seen california one? bleh. -Taco325i 03:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag design based on old seal and family crest

I pasted this text from a web page into a genealogy list for Calverts, so I forget the origin. I paste it here because although the flag was not official and therefore some may have changed the order of the quarters in past flags, I would think the rules of heraldry would define which quarter went where. Since the family crest was used as the seal, and the seal basis for the flag, it's only correct one way. I know we're not supposed to paste from other sites directly, so I thought I'd post it here so others with more time and knowledge of Wiki rules could find what they thought was new, correct, and proper for this site.

"The design of the Maryland Flag consists of the arms of the Calvert family quartered with the arms of the Crossland family. The Calvert family was that of the Lords Baltimore, the first Lord, George Calvert, being the founder of the colony of Maryland in 1634. The Crossland family was that of the first Lord's mother. As she had no brother and so was the heiress of her family estate, she was permitted under heraldic law to quarter her arms with those of her husband. Reading horizontally from the top of the staff, the first and second quarters are the Calvert and Crossland arms, respectively. The Calvert and Crossland arms are first shown quartered together in the Seal of Maryland. The original Seal probably had the quartering, but unfortunately, it was lost, and there is no exact description of its design. It was replaced in 1648 by Cecil Calvert, the second Lord Proprietary. He remarked that the replacement was very much like the first. The quartering of the two coats of arms together, therefore, is of old usage of the Seal. However, it does not appear in the Flag until much later.From 1634 until the Revolution, there are from time to time mentions of the Maryland Flag, and always these refer to the "yellow and black" of Lord Baltimore's colors, never to the red and white of the Crosslands. After the Revolution, there was no definite state flag in existence, either in custom or in law. There were a number of variations of the design, used pretty much ad libitum, for decorations and military emblems.

"In 1885, Clayton C. Hall, a scholar from Baltimore, delivered an address on the Maryland Seal to the Maryland Historical Society, subsequently having the speech reprinted in pamphlet form. He gave a copy of the pamphlet to a Mr. Sisco, a flag maker of Baltimore, the following year. Mr. Sisco manufactured a number of flags in the pattern of the one used today, apparently basing his design on information about the Seal gathered from the work of Mr. Hall."

Banner of Arms

Isn't the flag of Washington DC also a banner of arms? Or is it not mentioned in the lead since Washington DC is not a state? 202.89.155.105 09:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC) The wiki page for Baltimore mentions that it's the only banner of arms used for a flag, specifically mentioning that Washing DC also had one but wasn't a state. Paddling bear (talk)

Crossland banner and its relation to confederacy

Recent headlines have popped up on social media stating that the Maryland flag, specifically the Crossland heraldry portion, was used by secessionists during the Civil War. I came here to verify if that was true, and saw only the side image of the Crossland banner with a citation-less caption mentioning it's use by secessionists. I then noticed that a large portion of text describing it's use in the Civil War was removed a few edits ago for a lack of citations; should the side image, or at least it's caption, also be removed? Elead1 (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I restored the deleted sections referencing the use of the Crossland arms by secessionists to the article—but now properly sourced. I think the information is relevant, and now that it's properly sourced in the article, there's no need to remove the accompanying image. But let me know if you disagree. acomas (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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Maryland Seal

The paragraph about the Maryland Seal says "It is worth noting that pre-1876 the Maryland seal did not include the current Maryland flag on it." I would argue that this is very misleading.

The 1854 Maryland Seal, according to a page from the Maryland State Archives cited in this article, "depicted an eagle and a version of the Calvert arms." Wikipedia's own article about the Maryland seal also notes that the seal of 1854 included "a version of the original reverse," the reverse being the part with the pattern later adapted onto the flag. This document from the Maryland Department of Natural Resources shows what the 1854 Seal looked like; the quartering of the Calvert and Crossland colors is clearly recognizable, although the Calvert section is shown with five pales (vertical bars) instead of six.

To summarize, according to the State Archives, the Calvert Arms in some form were used on the seal from the founding of the Maryland Colony until 1692, then from 1715 to 1794, and finally from 1854 on, although from 1854 to 1878 it was slightly modified. To only say "that pre-1876 the Maryland seal did not include the current Maryland flag on it" is, in my opinion, a vast oversimplification. Given the association of the Crossland Colors with secessionists, it is important that the article is clear about the long history of this design in the state before the Civil War, and that the state was using a version of the current flag's design on its seal throughout the Civil War. Waterfire (talk) 12:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC)