Talk:Flag of Prince Edward Island/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 14:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Happy to review the article.

Review comments

Lead section / infobox

• N Almost none of the article’s History or Protocol sections, and none of the text about the flag’s symbolism, has been summarized within the lead (see MOS:INTRO for more information about what needs to be included in a lead section).
• Link field (Field (heraldry)) here and in the infobox.

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• A minor point, but I would amend the province to ‘the province of Prince Edward Island’ (linked) for the sake of clarity, and to ensure PEI is linked in the lead.

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• Link royal warrant in the infobox.

• Linked. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

1 History

• the United Kingdom should read ‘Great Britain’, the name of the country at this time.

• Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• It was consequently placed – ‘The island was consequently placed’ is clearer.

• Agreed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• Link colony; seal (Seal (emblem)); garrison.

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• smaller trees – the source calls them saplings, which isn’t quite the same thing—I would use the term the source gives.

• Done. I was trying to avoid WP:CLOP, but I think this will fall under WP:LIMITED. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• North America – ‘British North America’ is more accurate.

• Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• to Prince Edward Islanders – ‘to the Prince Edward Islanders’.

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• province's coat of arms is a duplicated link.

• That is permissible at the first occurrence after the lead per MOS:REPEATLINK. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Understood. AM

• Unlink Canada (twice); United States; London – see MOS:OL.

• Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• N The last paragraph is imo too trivial to include in an encyclopaedia article.

• I've included a similar paragraph in the other 3 Canadian flag GAs (i.e. flag of Manitoba, flag of New Brunswick, and flag of Nova Scotia). —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, but it really is quite trivial. The survey took place over 20 years ago, and the results come a self-published source. I can't see the information is relevant here, despite what other reviewers may say. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I intend to retain the paragraph, for the sake of uniformity with the other GAs and the fact that it does not contravene good article criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

2.1 Description

• Unlink fimbriation (dup link).

• Unlinked the third and final mention (but not the second which falls under the lead exception per MOS:REPEATLINK). —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Understood. AM

• itself is unnecessary and can be edited out.

• Removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

2.2 Symbolism

• The Complete Flags of the World by DK is not an expert authority—it's an educational resource—so it’s not clear to me that the book's interpretation of the meaning of the three oak saplings should be included here.

• Removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• Royal Arms of England - 'Royal arms of England' is correct (in both the text and the caption).

• Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• The arms shown in the image date only from 1198 to 1369, after which they were changed. Readers might assume the arms have always looked like this, so I would add the dates.

• Added. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• is surmised – by which person or organisation?

• It's not clear. Ref 16 (from PEI provincial gov't) states that "while many consider the Red Oak to be the tree on the Provincial Coat-of-Arms, this has never been formally recognized." Would it be better if I changed the sentence to "is reportedly Quercus rubra"? —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

I think it would work well if you would kept surmised, and added a separate note that quotes the provisional government's position. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:54, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Added. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• it has not – ‘the species has not’ sounds better imo.

• Agreed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

3 Protocol

• Office of Protocol, specifically the Chief of Protocol – why not simply ‘Chief of Protocol’?

• Changed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• (MPs) is not needed, as the abbreviation does not reappear.

• Removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• Link casket.

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• Unlink sunrise; sunset (commonly understood words do not need to be linked).

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• it is to be flown – I would amend this to something like ‘the other flag is to be flown’ for the sake of clarity.

• Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

4 Notes

• Note A requires a citation.

• Already verified by ref 9. If you're referring to the second sentence of the note, the GAs flag of New Brunswick and flag of Western Australia employ multiplication and division without having to cite the process or result of the equation per WP:BLUESKY. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

6 External links

• (Not GA) the link isn’t helpful enough to use imo.

• Removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

On hold

• I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 4 September to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

The last three points to be addressed are marked with a small red cross, otherwise all sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

The issue with the lead appears to be last remaining one. Amitchell125 (talk) 11:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The above issue has still not been addressed - the article will now need to be re-nominated if an editor wished it to be promoted, and any of the above issues dealt with as part of the next GAN. Amitchell125 (talk) 06:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)