Talk:Flag of the Soviet Union

question

Are the flags shown here really correct? Flags of the World, which is usually a reliable source, shows a proportionately much larger hammer and sickle symbol (and gives its exact size on the construction details page). --Zundark 16:32, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Not sure. The images everywhere are too different. And I don't have a handy reference with a genuine official image.

Anyway, those flag images were removed some time ago, and the flag currently shown in the article does not have the problem. --Zundark 17:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, when was the reverse made red without symbols? Was it 1980 or was it that way before too? Paranoid 21:49, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have video from a military parade in 1987. It shows the Soviet flag on top of the Kremlin without the hammer and sickle on the reverse. I also doubt the first flag that is shown was ever made. I will try to get better drawings of the flags sometime soon. Zscout370 19:31, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

First 1923 Flag

To be honest with yall, I do not think this flag existed. The Coat of Arms depicted on this flag is the arms they used before the fall of the USSR. To my knowledge, less than 10 republics were in it. Zscout370 21:55, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I looked back and based on this:

At the First Congress of Soviets of the USSR it was said that 'the red banner was transformed from the symbol of the Party to the symbol of a state, and around that flag gathered the peoples of the soviet republics to unite into one state - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'. On 30 December 1922 the Congress adopted a Declaration and Agreement on the establishment of the USSR. Article 22 of the Agreement states: 'the USSR has a flag, coat of arms and a state seal.'

The description of the first flag of USSR was given in the Constitution, accepted in the second session of the CIK of the USSR on 6 July 1923. The text of article 71 states: 'The state flag of the Union of SSR consists of a red or scarlet field with states coat of arms'. It was ordered from a prestigious factory. It had unusual proportions: the ratio of width to length was 1:4. However, such a flag was never made.

In the third session of the CIK of the USSR on 12 November 1923, the description of Soviet flag in the Constitution was changed, and article 71 was edited to be: 'The state flag of the Union of SSR consists of a red or scarlet field, and in the canton a golden sickle and hammer, and a red five-pointed star bordered in gold above them. The ratio of width to length is 1:2.'

Would say that it should be included, but I will re-write the entry to give more of this information and background, particularly that this flag was adopted, but never produced. Lestatdelc 22:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

• • Thanks. That is probably why I doubted it's existance, since I never seen that flag in photos. I also wish to comment that the Soviet flag is not the Banner (Flag) of Victory. I will try to make that page up as soon as I can. Zscout370 23:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In 1923 only 4 republics were present the flag shown in the article has all 15, besides I am a Soviet expert and I do research in that area I have never seen a flag like that. I recommend the early RSFSR flag be added.Yev900 00:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC) THIS ISNT RIGHT Yev900 00:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Others have said this, but small clarification: the Soviet COA had red ribbons with the text "Ploretarians of the world, unite" in the languages of the SSR-s. The COA on the "original flag" shown here has 15 ribbons for the republics, but there weren't as many republic in the 1920s. So this flag must be incorrect, probably someone has just copy-pasted the later COA to a red background. 80.235.61.242 19:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

The flag REALLY should be corrected or removed. It's obviously flawed. Placing the post-1945 COA on a banner that claims to have been 'the first flag of the Soviet Union, introduced in 1923' is grossly misleading. 24.183.178.138

Exactly. On one of the ribbon it's written in Moldovan Cyrillic, but that alphabet was invented only ten years later. bogdan 15:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

First flag of the USSR

I modified the image to include the appropiate coat of arms. Certainly it's more accurate than what is already there, but my photoshop skills are definitely lacking. If you want to use it feel free, or if someone with better photoshop skills can take a crack at it please do! I want to have the image that is presently included in the article replaced, because it is grossly -- GROSSLY -- misleading. Yumb

I just found this flag while browsing the List of sovereign states in 1923 article and wanted to ask some info about but it apears that you guys dont know ether. Il just like it here incase anyone figures something out.--SelfQ (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Original Soviet flag.svg

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Victory Banner

Excerpt from the article:
"On April 15, 1996 Boris Yeltsin signed a presidential decree giving the Soviet flag (called the Victory Banner, after the banner that was raised above the Reichstag on May 1, 1945) status similar to that of the national flag. The difference is that the hammer and sickle has been removed from the flag. On certain holidays, the Victory Banner is flown along with the Russian flag. Under President Putin, the Victory Banner was adopted as the official flag of the Russian Army."

However, to the immediate right of that paragraph is a picture with the caption "Victory Banner", which contains the hammer and sickle. Which one tells the truth? Kareeser|^Talk! 02:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The article was indeed confusing, but I've already corrected it. If you an even better explanation see the page I created: Victory Banner.The russian leader 19:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction

I find that this article contradicts its Russian version which should itself be more reliable. There the so called "almost-burgundry crimson" flag is not portrayed for example. I think a revision should be made. ZealotKommunizma 16:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

1955-1980 flag

As follows from the article, its only difference from 1980 flag, is that it is darker. Should it be uploaded, or we should use 1980 version for that period? Cmapm 23:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I say yes, we should upload. That would be better than using an incorrect flag in the {{Country data USSR}} parameter of {{flagicon}} etc.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 17:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Different obverse and reverse?

Flag#Shape and design claims that the USSR flag is one of few where "the reverse design may differ, in whole or in part, from that of the obverse." Is this really the case, and if so, how? Jpatokal 22:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_whose_reverse_differs_from_the_obverse#Soviet_Union Rudy Breteler (talk) 20:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Cuban flag

The way the Cuban flag is shown seems to imply that it was inspired by the Flag of the Soviet Union, which doesn't seem actually to be the case. LaFoiblesse 2010-01-09 11:40PM (GMT)

I agree, the Cuban flag according to the Wikipedia article predates the Soviet union. GVasil (talk) 14:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Influence on other flags

I'm not sure if flags of SFR Yugoslavia and SPR Albania should be here, because former is old Yugoslav flag with (large) Red star, and similar thing is with latter (Red star is smaller). So it looks more like just incorporating Red star symbol than adapting Soviet Red flag? -- Olovni (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Error in layout?

What is wrong with the layout of this article? It begins with code visible instead of looking like a regular page ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peulle (talk • contribs) 21:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

1741?

December 15, 1741 (last version used)

this cant be right... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.216.108 (talk) 05:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Current usage

This article mentions nothing about the current usage of the Soviet flag, it's used all the time in Russian military parades, political rallies, popular protests, and by several political parties (such as the CPRF, the Left Front, and the National Bolsheviks), this should be discussed. Charles Essie (talk) 18:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Albuquerque flag

I and some other people see the flag of Albuquerque, New Mexico and say that it looks weirdly like the Soviet flag, especially since the background is red and the dove on the Albuquerque flag is in a very similar shape to the hammer and sickle. Should that flag be included in "Similar flags"? Albuquerque Flag — Preceding unsigned comment added by JDalland (talk • contribs) 18:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Pre-1955 Hammer and Sickle

While this page depicts the Victory Banner hammer and sickle as the standard design for the pre-1955 flag of the USSR, I’m pretty sure the hammer and sickle design printed on the documents from the Comintern was the “official” hammer and sickle emblazoned on Soviet flags at the time. It much more closely matches contemporary photographs. Rhemmiel (talk) 08:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

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