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Reviewer: WonderBoy1998 (talk · contribs) 06:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'll be conducting the review for this album. Wow, it's pretty long, so I hope there aren't many problems to solve ;P

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Lead

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  • " Following an international tour of South America which began in 2004 and presentations in the United States, Ivy Queen partnered with co-founder of Perfect Image Records, José Guadalupe to form her own record label Filtro Musik and signed a distribution deal with Univision Music Group in 2005. She was previously signed to Guadalupe's independent label Perfect Image Records which was distributed by Universal Music Latino."- How is this relevant album? If it is, then you must explain it in the lead.
    • The album was released on Univision Music Group and Filtro Musik.
That is alright and I know that because I read the Background section, where it is pretty clear. But mention it in the lead too. You can use a sentence like "The album was released on Univision Music Group and Filtro Musik. The latter label was formed by ....blah blah blah ..." --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, but that takes away from the concept. She spent her 2002-2004 career on Perfect Image where she released her first two commercially successful albums. Then forming her own record label due to the fact that she was tired with major record labels all is relevant to the background section. In my opinion. — DivaKnockouts 12:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • " it failed to debut upon the Billboard 200" - "upon" vs "on"- I'd prefer the latter.
    •   Done
  • "At the Billboard Latin Music Awards 2006 it was nominated for "Reggaetón Album of the Year" while at the Premio Lo Nuestro 2007 award ceremony, for "Urban Album of the Year"."- to "At the Billboard Latin Music Awards 2006 it was nominated for "Reggaetón Album of the Year", and for "Urban Album of the Year" at the Premio Lo Nuestro 2007 award ceremony"
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  • "The album was met with generally positive reviews from music critics who praised its lyrical content and musical production whilst some curiously noticed that Queen's 1998 debut duet with Haitian rapper Wyclef Jean "In The Zone" was missing from the track list. Critics also noted the few new tracks the albums had to offer though praised the selection of hits used."- Critical review praise should be moved before the awards/nominations text.
    •   Done
  • "Critics also noted the few new tracks the albums had to offer though praised the selection of hits used."- This sentence seems to be missing something. I'd rewrite it entirely. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 06:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Background

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  • Made some changes myself.
  • "(Beginning in 2001, Queen began appearing on other artists' reggaetón compilation albums) from which many of the songs originate"- "many of the songs" on which album (I assume Flashback) You should mention that.
    •   Done
  • "This was her first tour in South America which began in 2004 and led into 2005.[6]"- The ref you used here does not mention or imply this. Also, it is obvious that this would be her first tour to begin in 2004 (and maybe lead into 2005) because she can't have multiple tours at the same time. You can use a sentence like "This was her first tour to span into two different years" or something like that.
    • The source says "La puertorriqueña Ivy Queen se apoderará por primera vez de los escenarios ecuatorianos para interpretar éxitos como Papi te quiero y Tú no puedes." which translates to "Puerto Rican Ivy Queen seizes her first Ecuadorian concert to sing hits such as "Papi Te Quiero" and "Tu No Puedes"."
Sorry, but how is that related to what I'm saying? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I've tweaked it.
  • "she performed songs such as "Papi Te Quiero" and "Tu No Puedes" to promote both Diva and Real"- Your ref doesn't mention that "Real" was promoted through the tour.
    • The source is actually a bit mixed up there. Diva: Platinum Edition is not her fourth album as implied in the source. It is the re-release of Diva. Real is her fourth album, at the time (June 2004) she was promoting that album.
  • "This stemmed from Guadalupe parting ways with the other co-founder of Perfect Image Anthony Pérez who in turn would launch his own label The Roof Records."- Ref doesn't mention this. I'd remove this entirely!
    • The reference states "Anthony Pérez and Jorge Guadalupe, founders and partners in Perfect Image Records, have parted ways and are launching their own labels".
I am blind, never mind. I didn't read the heading... oops.. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Songs and Repertoire

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  • "Flashback is a "fusion of the past, present, and future, consisting of a totally contagious medley of the best hits and entrancing rhythms"."- This sounds too glorified. You should remove this and instead talk about how the album consists past hits and some new material.
    • This is coming directly from the source. ฿
I noticed the same line was present on the Amazon editorial review, and basically they write this stuff to sell the album. Also anything prominent mentioned in the lead (why it is a studio and compilation album) should make an appearance somewhere in the article as per WP:Lead.--WonderBoy1998 (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
If you look more closely, the Amazon editorial review is just copied from the source I'm using. The editorial review is suppose to be for Sentimiento but it covers her whole career like a biography. So, I doubt the editorial review was written by an editor for Amazon. And it being a studio and compilation album is in the Critical reception section, though not explicitly. — DivaKnockouts 16:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Well alright. How about paraphrasing the quote? Also, make sure that everything said in the lead is in the body, nothing should be missed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Do you have any suggestions? xD — DivaKnockouts 12:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm asking you to paraphrase the quote.. what suggestions can I give?! xD --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • "Ivy Queen's interpolation of the lyrics tell a "story of a woman who looks back at a lover and wonders why she even loved the lout who abused her love"."- to- " ...... lyrics tell a story of a "woman who looks back at ......"
    •   Done
  • " Subsequently, she, in a sense, calls for female empowerment.[31]"- merge this sentence with " "Muchos Quieren Tumbarme" ("Many Want To Knock Me Down"), alludes to a boxing match with the phrase "many want to knock me down"." and make it into - "Muchos Quieren Tumbarme" ("Many Want To Knock Me Down"), alludes to a boxing match with the phrase "many want to knock me down", and cites female empowerment as a prominent theme in the song." --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 05:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
    •   Done
Now remove "Subsequently, she, in a sense, calls for female empowerment.". --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
    •   Done
  • FW- 32- ^ Tejada, Pachico. "Ivy Queen: “Voy a dejar mi alma en escena”". Listin Diario. Retrieved 2013-03-14.- Needs lang. parameter.
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  • FW- 33- ^ "Ivy Queen, se luce en el "Festival Navideño"". El Nuevo Diario. 2007-12-16. Retrieved 2013-03-14.- Needs lang parameter.
    •   Done
  • ""Quiero Saber" ("I Want To Know"), the second single off of Queen's third studio album Diva (2003) is a duet with Gran Omar."- comma after "Diva (2003)"
    •   Done
  • "The song produced by Luny Tunes, Noriega and DJ Nelson was one of the first songs Luny Tunes produced as a duo when she gave them their first big assignment, trusting their talent."- to "The song was produced by Luny Tunes, Noriega, and DJ Nelson. It was also one of the first songs Luny Tunes produced as a duo when Queen trusted their talent and gave them their first assignment". Also, be careful that in a list sentence with 3 objects, a comma always precedes the "and", in this case "Luny Tunes, Noriega, and DJ Nelson". It won't apply if their are more than 3 or less than 3.
    • It already had the comma?
I put it there :P --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • FW- 38- ^ a b c Ben-Yehuda, Ayala (2007-03-31). "Reggaetón Royalty - Ivy Queen Earns Her Crown As A Very Male Subgenre's Only Female Star". Billboard. Retrieved 2012-11-29.- Prometheus Global Media?
    •   Done
  • ""Yo Lamento" ("I Regret"), formerly on Noriega's compilation Contra La Corriente (2004) titled "Amiga No Pienses" ("Friend Do Not Think").[40] Queen sings to a modern reggaetón rhythm.[41]"- Sentences are very incomplete and need to be merged.
    •   Done
  • ""En La Disco" ("In The Club"), originally from Escorpiones (2004) features an Arabic type beat infused with reggaetón."- I'm not feeling the words "Arabic type", also is the Allmusic reference given to listen to a sample?" It is perfectly fine if it is for listening to a sample, but I wanted you to know just in case there was some text there before as Allmusic has been facing the problem of displaced reviews and all that.
    • Lol, well the sample is there if you want to listen to it, but if I remember correctly, there was a review there. I guess it has been displaced :/.
What does "inflused" mean? :P --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
._. — DivaKnockouts 03:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
No seriously you've put "Arabic-inflused beat" there and I've never seen a word like it --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 04:12, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh man. xD I thought you were talking about something else. It's suppose to be "influenced". Hehe :) I don't know how I got "inflused" from "influenced" -.- — DivaKnockouts 16:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • "She goes on to assure that in the club there is not another like her and if there is a battle will ensue between the two."- Can you rewrite this sentence?
    • No.... Hehe jk.   Done
-.- --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 07:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • " "Miles De Voces" ("Thousands Of Voices"), a hip hop track from Buddha's Family (2001) contains multiple simple harmonic progressions, synthesizers, angry lyrics and a sociopolitical theme while alternating between major and minor key."- Comma after "Buddha's Family (2001). Remove "multiple"
    •   Done
  • " Steve Leggett named the song the highlight of the album"- to " Steve Leggett, from Allmusic, picked the song as an album highlight.
    •   Done
  • "Queen's rap contributes to a reggae type beat accompanied by Gran Omar." Allmusic ref given here for listening to sample? It is perfectly fine if it is for listening to a sample, but I wanted you to know just in case there was some text there before as Allmusic has been facing the problem of displaced reviews and all that.
    • The reference has "Rap" as the genre so I fixed reggae to hip hop. Rapping is implied if it is a rap song.
  • "She tells her that it was never her intentions to hurt her"- to- "She tells her that she had never intended to hurt her".
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  • "Assuring that she loves her friend, Queen acknowledges that a friendship was lost."- Uhm....what?
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"Queen assures that she loves her friend and acknowledges their friendship was lost" to "Queen assures that she loves her friend, but acknowledges the fact that their friendship was lost"--WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
    •   Done
  • ""He looked at me and we started dancing while the music took us away. Dancing, he touched me. My mind wasn't thinking, passion was leading. My friend don't think that I don't love you""- Add something after this regarding the song, like ",she sings"
    •   Done
  • All "angry lyrics" to "aggressive lyrics"
    • "Angry" may or may not mean the same thing as "aggressive" in these instances.
Then make it confrontational or something, because I'm really not feeling "angry" in terms of lyrics. Words like "aggresive", "defensive", "confessional", "confrontational..etc.... work better with lyrics than "sad" "angry" "happy" :\ --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Too bad the Pandora refs couldn't open up for me as the site doesn't show up in my country :( --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 05:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'll get to these later tonight, though I'll archive them tonight as well as I had the same problem with Drama Queen (Ivy Queen album) :) — DivaKnockouts 12:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Can I get to these last? xD — DivaKnockouts 20:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
No... hehe jk. :P --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 07:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm going to hurt you :P — DivaKnockouts 16:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Release and Promo

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  • ^ "Amazon.com: Reggaetón Queen: Ivy Queen: Music". Amazon. Amazon.com, Inc. Retrieved 2013-05-25.- This ref doesn't mention any release date, tracklist :\
    • Yes? It does.
Nothing for me.... Don't know if it location based or what.. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, it could be. Where are you at again? I'll try to find the album in your region to cite it.
Does it open for you? If so, then let it be. I'm at India currently and our Amazon site is pretty messed up. No one really buys records in India from online stores, so maybe they don't bother putting up any tracklist, especially of a foreign album. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it does open for me. Currently, no Ivy Queen albums are available in India on Amazon according to this. :/
Not that anyone in India was going to buy them anyway :P --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
She doesn't need sales in India anyways. :P — DivaKnockouts 12:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • "The former were released in September and December 2005 to radio respectively, while the latter was released to radio in February 2006."- Citation?
    • These were released a radio singles (they were not released to digital outlets) so the release dates go by the week before they premiered in Billboard magazine. (Singles and albums released the Tuesday before each new magazine they will have had a week's worth of release.
  • FW 56- ^ Libertad (CD liner). Ivy Queen. Willy Promotions Inc., under exclusive license to Univision Records, a division of Univision Music LLC. 5820 Canoga Avenue, Suite 300, Woodland Hills, CA 91367. 2006. UVSNF04352.- The link to Libertad leads to a disambig page.
  • "Billboard Bash!"- Billboard italics
    •   Done
  • "she launched The Flashback Tour"- The Flashback Tour is linked but there is no page so it's red. Best to remove it.
    •   Done
  • "It was also performed at the 2006 edition of the award ceremony,[64] being given the honor of performing the grand finale to a televised audience of five million."- feels disconnected with the previous mentioning of the Premios Juventud due to the Cristina Show bumping in. Move Cristina after this.
    • I tried to keep it by the order of events. The Christina Show appearance occurred before the 2006 Premios Juventud performance.
It's fine now :) --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • FW- 66 "^ "Ivy Queen confirma romance: La artista confiesa que su corazón está feliz gracias a su relación con DJ Urba". People En Español. Time Inc. 2006-05-25. Retrieved 2013-06-20."- Lang parameter needed. Also, are you sure the ref mentions that they kissed? I don't understand Spanish and so Google Translate had to translate it for me, and it's very likely it misinterpreted the kissing part.
Oh! Okay! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Commercial performance

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  • "On the cover of the album, Queen appears in a "low-cut, cleavage-showing little black dress".[27] Similar to the cover for Real, the album's jacket is more sexually provocative. Overtly sexual, the viewer is looking directly into Queen's cleavage area. She is wearing various gold bracelets which cover up her right eye. The change in image for Queen is attributed to Universal Latino feeling that the album Real had crossover potential to U.S. mainstream audiences.[75] This is also attributed to Queen responding to the criticism she has received in the past for looking like a tomboy, wearing baggy pants and larger shirts, from the Puerto Rican press, middle class and members of the older generation,[75] a subject she Queen addresses in her autobiography, Detrás Del Glamour (Behind Glamour).[76][77] However, Queen takes responsibility for this change in image as she attributes it to a "new growth in person".[75] She confessed the makeover stemmed from a "crisis" and "female vanity".[27] Seeking to recontour her figure, Queen enlisted the help of a Colombian plastic surgeon.[27] Her breast were enhanced from an B cup to a C cup.[75] The album cover also features Queen's signature long nails which she sports in a variety of colors; in this case they are light blue and white.[78]"- Does this fit here? I suggest making an entirely new section for the cover or adding it into Promo.--WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I changed the section a bit. Also, are you sure that "Her breast were enhanced from an B cup to a C cup in July 2004, during a promotional tour of the country" is really important? You can add "had her breasts augmented/enlarged" somewhere else. And doesn't the ref mention A cup to C cup? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 10:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I've tweaked the sentence. And oh, yes it does! It doesn't matter though, I removed it :) — DivaKnockouts 12:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh I can surely see that :P --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:58, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Reception

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  • Just a general thing I noticed (which occurs in some previous sections too), is that some refs are archives that you need to pay/need an account to view, which I don't think is a good thing :/.
    • That isn't prohibited, though. Right? I haven't seen any guideline against the use of these types of references.
No they aren't prohibited. I was just saying.
  • Made some changes myself.
Well, the album is pretty old ;) — DivaKnockouts 18:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
    • Thank you. Can I say, you are the most involved reviewer I've ever met. You go the extra mile to help out with the article. Thank you so much.
No problem! Thanks for the compliment! :) --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 05:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • "He noted that the CD/DVD edition features music videos for "Quiero Saber" and "Quiero Bailar."[1]"- This doesn't offer any piece of critical reception. Best to remove it.
    • Well, he included it in his review, so obviously he thought it was interesting enough to mention it.
Ya but it is not related to Critical Reception. He is not criticizing or appreciating that, he's just giving some info. Allmusic usually provides info about all this, they are not necessarily reviewing it. I don't see any point in including this here. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Removed. :) — DivaKnockouts 18:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • " released by Queen during "Reggaetón's Golden Era" which lasted between 2003 until 2007."- comma before "which"
    •   Done
  • "Ramiro Burr of Billboard stated that "Quiero Bailar" shows how effortlessly and quickly she alternately sings and raps, claiming that she has a distinct vocal style that evokes Gwen Stefani."- This review seems to be more inclined towards the single, and is reviewing it in respect of Diva. Can you find one that is more towards the album?
    • If you notice, the top part is reviews of the album while the bottom part is reviews from the singles/songs which is generally accepted.
Oohlright. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • " Queen ended up with three nominations wining two of them"- "wining" -> "winning", comma before "winning".
    •   Fixed and   Done.
  • "Among others nominated were "Rompe" by Daddy Yankee, "Dale Don Dale" by Don Omar, and "Rakata" by Wisin & Yandel.[111]"- Not needed.
    •   Removed

Legacy

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  • Covers and all don't seem to be part of the Legacy of an album. Legacy (usually written as "Impact" in album articles, but "legacy" is fine too) best refer to the aftermath of the album- the effects it had on other artists (not covers), the effect on the genre, did it open new doors for other artists, record breaking and all that. See album articles like Dangerously in Love, L.A.M.B, Like a Virgin, True Blue (Madonna album) to see what it actually is about. If you can't find such information, then you can remove this section, not all albums leave an impact. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Kinda knew you would. But I've never seen covers in a legacy section before. It generally includes what I listed above..covers? Not so sure.... Also many singers cover even the most obscure songs. Doesnt necessarily give them a heavy word like "legacy" to hold. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Comparing a Beyoncé or Madonna album, two artists who are of high caliber to an album by Ivy Queen, an artist who is virtually unknown to people other than those who speak/understand Spanish is unfair and not accurate. It would be more accurate to compare Flashback to an album by Olga Tañon or even Selena. I've never heard of those albums by Madonna, what may have an impact on someone or something else may not have an impact on others. This is a reggaeton album. A genre which, at the time, was just getting popular within the United States and other nations. — DivaKnockouts 18:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
If you want you can have second opinion about this from another user. If they say it is fine, I have no problems. What I think is that "Legacy" is not an appropriate section to sum up the covers of the singles off the album. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Would a different heading work? — DivaKnockouts 18:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
A different heading would be perfect! :D --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Had anything in particular? — DivaKnockouts 02:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
"Coverage by different artists" maybe? By the way, why don't you just remove this section and all these covers can be included in the songs' individual articles? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 02:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
They already are. Removed :) — DivaKnockouts 02:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Article is passing ;D --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Track listings

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  • No problems.

Charts

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  • No such problems except this one-

Singles

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It can be on the page for Diva I believe. Why not just let the singles off Flashback remain here? I think Quiero Balar should be removed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Alright! Removed. :) — DivaKnockouts 18:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sales and Certifications

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  • No problems.

References

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All problems addressed now! Article passed for GA class! Stupendous work! :D --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 06:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh my gosh! Thank you very much!! — DivaKnockouts 03:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome! Very impressive article! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
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