Talk:Flashes Before Your Eyes

Refs to previous episodes

Please also see the movie "Primer".

Hey, all you Lost obsessives: when you summarize an episode, don't forget to cover references to previous episodes! Very necessary for those of us who merely watch the show, and can't keep track of all the little connections. 192.18.43.225 19:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Slaughterhouse Five similarities

This episode reminded me alot of Slaughterhouse Five. Desmond seemed to be in a similar predicament to Billy Pilgrim, in that he was slipping around to different points of his own life. The themes of that book (fatalism, etc) could be tied into the themes of this episode (and the show as a whole) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drlobsterboy (talk • contribs) 20:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

I thought about Billy Pilgrim too, but I don't see that thematic correlation being placed in an encyclopedia unless it is much more overt or publicly admitted by the writers. As it stands, this is more of an issue for an academic thesis than it is a descriptive encyclopedia article.--mroconnell 07:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Tenuous at best

Dear Donnie Darko fans,
Yeah, it was a good movie, but don't flatter yourselves. Not everything is a reference to it. For example:
"Desmond's meeting with Donovan in the pub is a reference to the film Donnie Darko in which the main character also consults a physics teacher about the plausibility of time travel."
Certainly not a direct reference, as who else would you ever possibly consider seriously asking about time travel. At best you might be able to say it's "reminiscent" of the movie, but I still think this trivia is totally unnecessary. --Smooth Nick 05:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

First episode?

"It is the first episode in which a character possesses knowledge of his life after the crash of Flight 815 in his flashbacks"?

This isn't strictly true, we have had flashbacks from members of the tail section detailing their experiences from their side of the island, as well as Claire's flashbacks from with Ethan and the others

And also Michael when he ran off and was captured by the Others. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episode yet, but actually having read the first few lines about the flashbacks, I can see what this means. He has flashbacks that show him before he was on the island, and he had knowledge of what will happen when he's on the island. So it's different to the other "on the island" flashbacks of the tail section survivors, Claire and Michael. But I'll know for sure when I see it tonight! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It's clear to me now that when he turned the key, he woke up in his flat, and the flashback takes place during the time he turned the key, not before he came to the island. It's sort of like he went back in time. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hideous recreation of London

Did any other fellow English out there spot the numerous and, quite frankly, horrendous errors made in the recreation of London in this episode? Honestly, it's incredible that some of these flaws weren't pointed out during production given that there are English cast and likely English crew working on the show. Red phoneboxes, "honour" spelt as "honor", London Underground with "Public Subway", army recruitment poster using a US weapon, crowding round a busker playing unamplified music, something trying to pass a a pub, etc...

While it was quite amusing, it completely took me out of the episode. --LeftHandedGuitarist 23:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Also why would an army recruitment building in London be advertising for the Scots army? Captain Prog 01:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a Wikipedia talk page for discussing changes to its associated article. It is not a forum for general discussion on the article's subject. There are countless Lost fan sites and forums that you can use instead. Schaefer (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well perhaps these inaccuracies should be mentioned in the article. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 10:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources talking about it, go for it. --Milo H Minderbinder 13:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Surely Wikipedia itself should be considered a reliable source. I added a trivia note highlighting one of these inaccuracies - the presence of a Bendy Bus when they were not introduced to London streets until 2004 - a fact I found in the article for Articulated Buses. The note was removed. This episode has considerable flaws that should be noted. While these flaws may not be noticable to American viewers, I was under the impression that Wikipedia was not intended to be an exclusively American resource. Hermiod 07:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Pointing out flaws in the show is original research. Wikipedia doesn't exist to make novel commentaries on the episode, only to report what has been written about the episode in reliable sources. If some notable writer from an entertainment magazine points out that these buses are in the episode and shouldn't be, then it might pass as a verifiable encyclopedic fact. -- Schaefer (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Does the official UK Lost podcast count as a reliable source that can be cited? One of the people on the podcast says he didn't realise it was set in England until he saw Charlie busking and mentioned the taxis being wrong, American actors doing English accents, they were in an American bar with a Union Flag on the wall (no pub in England would have Union Flag), American parking meters and the word "honour" spelt the American way. He described it as "poor". — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

But if these inconsistencies are genuinely there, why should we need a secondary source to point them out from? The fact that they're there is source enough, and to a primary source is always better than a secondary Captain Prog 00:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

But, the question is, did Desmond actually time travel or was what he saw simply in his mind as he lay in the jungle after the hatch implosion? if its the latter, it could, probably inplausibly, explain the discrepancies.

Desmond wearing a striped scalf in the jewelry shop could be a possible reference to British Sci-Fi show Doctor Who also, the time traveling lead character used to wear one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.157.174.136 (talk • contribs).

If we wrote about the inconsistencies based on our own viewing experiences, it would be considered original research. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The jewelry shop woman bore a striking resemblence to the Oracle from the Matrix:Reloaded in her manner, and in nearly everything she said. Maybe Desmond remembered her in his coma.

Trivia

I added this (referenced) trivia to the article, but someone still deleted it as "irrelevant." I disagree. Anyone else have thoughts?

• Admiral McCutcheon was a fictional character in the 1997 television remake of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, a show which also starred Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, the actor who played Mr. Eko.[1]

--Elonka 18:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

That reads like a textbook example of well-cited, appropriate trivia assuming the citation is good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mroconnell (talk • contribs) 07:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

It would appear that all the trivia has been removed though. Probably a side effect of cleaning up the article on an altogether pretty confusing episode.--mroconnell 07:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a novel comparison, and likely a coincidence. If someone of notability suggests in a realiable publication that this is not a coincidence and in fact has some kind of symbolic significance, then cite that. -- Schaefer (talk) 16:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Could someone please explain who put this Schaefer bloke in charge? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.73.132.213 (talk) 01:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

GA Review

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Hello. I'll be doing the GA review for this article. Here are some suggestions for improvement:

• Image:3x08.jpg is not low resolution and needs to be.

Will try to find one --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you don't need to. The image is web-resolution, which is apparently fine for illustrating television episodes. Nikki311 17:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Characters and actors need to be linked the first time they are mentioned. This includes the lead.

Done --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• "Charlie Pace (Dominic Monaghan) and Hugo "Hurley" Reyes (Jorge Garcia) conclude that Desmond must be able to see into the future, and they hatch a plan to get Desmond drunk and then tell them what is going on." - seems wordy, maybe --> "Charlie Pace (Dominic Monaghan) and Hugo "Hurley" Reyes (Jorge Garcia) conclude that Desmond must be able to see into the future, and they hatch a plan to get Desmond to get drunk and confess."

Done --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• "doesn't" - unless the contraction is in a quote, spell it out

Changed --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• "Desmond later goes to Penny's billionare father, Charles Widmore (Alan Dale) and asks for his permission in marrying his daughter." --> "Desmond later goes to Penny's billionare father, Charles Widmore (Alan Dale) and asks for his permission to marry his daughter."

Done --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• "In an interview, Henry Ian Cusick, who plays Desmond, said shooting the episode was both "fun" and "tiring"." - is there a cite for this?

Cited --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• I would mention that the episode received mostly positive reviews in the lead.

Done --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• "beginning to think the Lost producers have a different definition for the word "answer"." - quotes within a quote use apostrophes instead --> "beginning to think the Lost producers have a different definition for the word 'answer'."

Changed --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Henry Ian Cusick is linked twice in reception.

Un-linked --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• The article also needs a general copyedit, but I'll do that once everything else is taken care of. The article will be on hold for seven days to allow for improvements. Nikki311 12:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about the image thing (see comment above). I'll copyedit later today. Nikki311 17:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay cool, thanks for reviewing --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 18:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Done and passed. Nikki311 01:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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