Talk:Flyover (book)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 07:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Flyover, a 2023 American science fiction novel portraying a dystopian future where part of the USA became a theocracy, has been published in French but not yet in English? Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/07/22/lara-marlowe-this-vision-of-a-divided-totalitarian-us-does-not-seem-much-like-fiction/ and https://www.economist.com/culture/2024/04/11/americans-are-turning-to-stories-of-civil-war-real-and-imagined
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eurovision Song Contest 1991

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 511 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC).

• The clause adds interest, but I wonder if a snappier and more concise version of the hook also works:

• ALT1 ... that the 2023 American novel Flyover has been published in French but not yet in English?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• WP has strong precedent for discussing any fictional events in present tense, i.e. "becomes" instead of "became" Orchastrattor (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: My review follows:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article is new enough (created May 17 and nominated May 20), and it's long enough. It's in a complete state, and it neutrally covers the topic, citing a range of relevant periodicals reviewing and covering the topic. Earwig detects minimal overlap with other texts, and spot checking indicates what overlaps there are rise from quotations, proper names, and common terms (like "intelligence agencies"). I read the Irish Times article and verified content cited to it. Other material is either in a language I do not speak or is behind a paywall I cannot breach, so good faith is presumed (and such good faith seems reasonably placed, given the coherence with the Irish Times article). Although the hook fact is technically capable of changing, there seems to be no evidence that it is likely to change, meaning it's still a a definite fact that is unlikely to change. The hook is interesting, but there are some minor issues pertaining to WP:DYKCITE: The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear. This is a stricter standard than other evaluations, like GA (where citing to the end of a paragraph is usually fine). This problem applies to the following content in ALT0:

• American science fiction novel: The current version of the article doesn't in the body describe Flyover isn't as an American novel or as a science fiction novel. It is described as "science fiction" only in the infobox and lead (and a category), and without citation.
• a dystopian future where part of the USA became a theocracy: This fact about the plot of the book stated in the body text, in the plot section, but it's cited at the end of the paragraph instead of no later than the end of the sentence in which the fact appears.
• Additionally, as Orchastrattor points, the word "became" in ALT0 should instead be "becomes", as descriptions of literature use the literary present tense. You do this in the body text but not in the text of ALT0.

As these three issues are relatively minor, I think they could be resolved readily. Once they are, please ping me, and I'll approve the nomination. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC) Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hydrangeans Please see reworded ALT0 (and ref added in text):

• ALT0: ... that Flyover, a 2023 science fiction novel by an American author, portraying a dystopian future where part of the USA becomes a theocracy, has been published in French but not yet in English?

--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Thanks for the responsiveness. Flyover being a science fiction novel is now appropriately cited. However, some issues remain:

• The hook calls Douglas Kennedy an American author, but the Flyover article doesn't describe Douglas Kennedy as an American author (or provide a citation for such description). This information and a citation for it should be added, per WP:DYKCITE (The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear).
• The article doesn't have the necessary citation no later than the end of the sentence in which the fact appears for the book portraying part of the United States becoming a theocracy. There should be a citation no later than the end of the sentence verifying this fact about the book: In contrast, the United Confederacy, adopting the old Confederate flag and formed by the former Republican Party supporters, operates as a Christian theocracy across the Midwest and the South and bans not only abortion and sex change, but also divorce; offending religious feelings is a cause for the death penalty, often enacted through burning at the stake. Minneapolis has become a semi-neutral territory and a divided city, reminiscent of the divided Berlin of the Cold War era.
• I just remembered that the Manual of Style favors "United States" or "US" but not "USA", so I would recommend the hook use "United States" or "US" but not "USA".

These remain minor issues that I think can be amended readily, so I'm still ready to approve the nomination once they're resolved. Please ping me when you feel these matters are addressed so I can complete the review. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 15:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hydrangeans, I added a ref for an American writer; could I perhaps ask you to fix the remaining minor issues you mention? I am on holiday now with limited access to the net and time for wiki-stuff for the next few weeks (or until I figure out a solution to this technical issue, i.e. find a better computer, connection, and time). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Can do; sorry to trouble you on your holiday. I think the matters are minor enough—primarily visual and formal—that it's reasonable for me to implement them, and I've done so.

• ALT2: ... that Flyover, a 2023 science fiction novel by an American author, portraying a dystopian future where part of the US becomes a theocracy, was published in French but not in English?

With all remaining matters resolved, the nomination, and hook ALT 2, are approved. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 16:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

strange sentence

in the reviews section one finds this, which i can't make any sense out of--

that it a horror that claims to alert us to an alarming situation which already exists. Potholehotline (talk) 03:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)