Talk:Forced labor of Hungarians in the Soviet Union

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Some of this text did not employ very good English. I corrected the typos and improved the English where the meaning was transparent. However, I found the following incomprehensible

It was followed by break until May 1947. Last some 3,000 people returned after Stalin's death, during 1953-1955. Hungarian sources estimate that 330,000-380,000 persons returned in total, giving an estimate of about 200,000 perished in transit and in captivity.

Do you mean to say "There was a lull in returns until May 1947. The last to come back were some 3,000 people, returned after Stalin's death, during 1953-1955. Hungarian sources estimate that 330,000-380,000 persons returned in total, giving an estimate of about 200,000 for those who perished in transit and in captivity".? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Mikkalai

Mikkalai, would you care to explain why you keep reverting my separation of references and footnotes? See Wikipedia:Edit_summaries#Recommendations, WP:Edit warring as well as Wikipedia:Etiquette, for reason why you ought to explain yourself in edit summaries when reverting content. You're also on the verge of breaching WP:3RR. Merging the footnotes and references section is ugly and confusing. Please read Wikipedia:Footnotes#Style_recommendations, Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Section_headings and Wikipedia:MoS#Section_management for the relevant guidelines. I'm restoring this version. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you have made an approach to fixing this while I was posting. Thanks, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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All Hungarians with German names were sent to camps?

Please delete this nonsense bullshit.--Pharaph (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

There is a footnote wit referencre. Are you saying this phrase is not supported by the reference cited? - Altenmann >talk

If you find a reference that the Earth is flat, I won't consider it reliable. There is officially recognized German minority in Hungary (see 2010 census), and at least 300-400 000 Hungarian citizens (with 18th century Swabian and Bavarian ancestry) with German family names. I believe in official data (census) and the experience with German names.--Pharaph (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(1) The article speaks of 1940s not about 2010s. (2) The forced laborers were returned home (German, Japanese, Hungarian, etc. ) in 1950s, so I dont see contradiction with your fact. (4) The text speaks of Romania, not aboout Hungary. I see no surprize that Romanians got rid of some Hungarians under whatever pretext. (5) YEs, references claiming he earth is frat will be considered unreliable. However in Wikipedia there are mechanisms of establsh releability of referencs, Either discuss it hgere or use the general noticeboiard. - Altenmann >talk 15:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Finally, please do not continue the revert war and wait until the dispute is resolved -n the talk page, per wikipedia custom WP:BRD. - Altenmann >talk 15:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Romania is offtopic here. " I see no suprize that Romanians got rid of some Hungarians under whatever pretext." Please don't come up with racist remarks against Hungarians or other ethnic groups, because it is only prove your bias.

"Forced labourers were "returned home" Only those who could survive the Soviet labour/concentration camps. If you speak about Transylvanian cities, you must know that German names does not mean automatically ethnic German ancestry/origin, because the Transylvanian cities had Huge Jewish population with German family names, parts of them became victim of Holocaust.--Pharaph (talk) 17:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

racist remarks: - to mention ethnic tensions is hardly a racist remark. If I say that Poles forced virtually all their Jews to leave, is ir racism? - Altenmann >talk 18:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

"German names" - whatever you say. There is a source cited. If it is mistaken, prove this.- Altenmann >talk 18:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Jewish population" - the text says about Hungarian ethnicity in Romania. Talking about German/Yiddish names, Romania ranks first among Holocaust perpetrator countries other than Nazi Germany. (am I racist again?) - Altenmann >talk 18:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

those who could survive - Well, estimated 300-400 thou returned. I am pretty much sure many of them had German names. By the way paradoxically those Hungarians with German names had better chance with Russians, because Hungarians were hated more than Germans for real or anecdotal higher brutality (if discount SSmen). - Altenmann >talk 18:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

" I see no suprize that Romanians got rid of some Hungarians under whatever pretext." It is clearly a racist and anti-Hungarian remark, because you know that "the rid of" did not mean any criminals related to WW2, but more often people who were important in Hungarian culture or part of the Hungarian intellectuals.

Yiddish-German names did not relate to German ethnicity, because Jews in Kingdom of Hungary spoke Hungarian as their mother tongue, and they did not considered themselves other than Hungarian.

Most of the victims did not even have German names, since the Soviet Soldiers randomly collected people from the streets, without reading their papers. Read that: https://hirado-hu.translate.goog/cikk/2021/11/24/kozel-egymillio-magyar-aldozat-a-gulagra-hurcoltakra-emlekezunk?_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=hu&_x_tr_pto=wapp

--Pharaph (talk) 20:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Whatever you wrote is irrelevant to the issue in question and does not refute my arguments. - Altenmann >talk 20:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Neither the article, neither the victims of the Soviet forced labor have any relationship with ethnic Germans neither have connection to people with German names, as Putin's war against Ukraine has nothing to do with de-nazification. Te victims from Hungary very rarely had German names and German ethnicity.--Pharaph (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)