Talk:Ford Triton engine
Isn't the Diesel engines labeled Power-stroke?
- Yeah, all Ford truck Diesels are currently called Power Stroke. I'll fix that sometime... --SFoskett 12:56, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)
Does any one else think that this article should be merged with the Ford Modular Engine one? After all, every "Triton" engine is a Modular engine. And as far as I know, the Triton moniker is just marketing for a modular engine used in a truck role. Undeuxtroiskid 07:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Restarting the Discussion to merge articles
editWell I have read both articles and found that most of the data is duplicated and does not need to occupy 2 different articles. I'm starting a discussion as per Wikipedia code of editing and I want to know what everyone thinks before anything else is done. Please post your comments weather to keep separate (and show good reasoning) or merge together relevant information. Yours 13:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Modular is the whole engine family; Triton are truck only, no exceptions. There are some significant differences between truck and car engines, and a number of parts are not interchangable. Bits that have been replicated by do-gooders are usually removed. End of discussion. CJ DUB 05:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
While everyone opinion matters, I'm not resting to yours, this is a open discussion. Yes, the Triton are given to trucks only, but the engine is basically the same. Triton is a branding, not a specific engine. If you can show in a serious discussion that most of the information is not a duplication or a rehash, then OK I will concede, but please show a little professionalism to this discussion. Yours 00:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The triton has different components CJ DUB 13:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The Ford Triton engine article is a bit redundant, it's a marketing term used by Ford to give the then new 1997 F150 engines a catchy name like Chevy with it's Vortec line and Dodge with it's Magnum line. The differences between a Triton 4.6L and a Crown Vic 4.6L are ancillary. Barring year to year production differences the block, heads, cams, crank, rods, and pistons are all identical. The Triton engine can be explained in a single paragraph on the Ford Modular engine page. TheBalance 15:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry man you are wrong on that. All of those things you listed are not in fact the same. The internal materials are all different and so are the applications, for example the rings, wrist pins are different type, and even the fasteners for the bearings are different design, in addtion to different rods, pistons, etc. The castings are very different: the truck blocks are Windsor/Romeo (rarely) each of which are different, and the Vics are Romeo. Many of the parts are in fact NOT inter chanable. How can they be the same engine? Similar yes, same no. And that's just 2v iron blocks. Once you get into aluminum there are other differences. CJ DUB 17:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- There are several minor differences between Windsor and Romeo engines. Windsor engines have fully floating wrist pins and thus different pistons (with identical year-to-year dish volume and all are hypereutectic), dowels for centering the main caps versus jackscrews in the Romeo, 14 cam cover bolts vs. 11 on the Romeo, Windsor has press on cam sprockets versus bolt-on cam sprockets in the Romeo, and Windsors have the individual cam caps while Romeo engines have the "caged" cam caps. Those are the primary differences.
- The downfall to your argument is that there is no correlation between a Windsor/Romeo and a Triton engine whatsoever. There is nothing rare about a Romeo built Triton (8th Vin # digit W for Romeo, 6 for Windsor), in some regions Romeo-built Tritons are far more common than Windsor-built Tritons. Also, Windsor 4.6Ls have seen duty in cars where it isn't even badged a Triton, namely in the 99 - 00 Mustang GT. There are only ancillary differences between a "Triton" Romeo (or Windsor) and a passenger car Romeo (or Windsor). The basic engine is identical, in the trucks where it is badged a "Triton" it receives an 8 rib serpentine belt drive and belt driven cooling fan versus 6-rib belt drive and an electric fan in most of the passenger cars. Features like alternate cylinder firing for a cooling effect when a coolant loss detected in the F150s is a programming feature, not a engine feature.
- The only consistent and significant difference between a "Triton" Modular engine and a passenger car Modular engine is seen in the intake manifold design. The "Triton" Modulars all feature intake manifolds with longer, smaller cross-section runners than seen in the passenger car intakes. But even then there are intake manifold differences between different car models, such as the Crown Victoria and Mustang, where there are no marketing terms like "Triton" attached. Beyond that, yes the block, heads, cams, crank, rods, and pistons are all identical between Triton and non-Triton Modulars barring year-to-year and plant-to-plant production differences. The relatively minor differences between a Romeo and Windsor engine can be explained in a paragraph on the Ford Modular engine page. You have to keep in mind Wikipedia isn't here to cover topics in intricate detail, it is meant to provide an accurate, relatively brief yet encyclopedic overview of a topic.
TheBalance 14:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
All good points. I maintain the rings and rods are different material, the cranks are different, the cams are in fact different. I need refs i know but i'm too busy at this moment to look em up. An important point is that post-2004 tritons are all iron though, and unique casting, an important distinction, as today car mods and truck tritons are more different than ever. CJ DUB 17:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Barring year-to-year and plant-to-plant differences heads/cams are identical across the 2V Modular engine lineup, e.g. a Windsor PI 5.4L head/cam package is 100% identical to a Windsor PI 4.6L head/cam package. All PI cam specs (lift, duration, LSA) regardless of assembly plant or engine displacement are also identical, e.g. Romeo 4.6L PI cams have the same specs as Windsor 5.4L PI cams (but different part numbers due to differences in cam sprocket fastening). There were a few versions of the NPI heads, but they were running revisions not specific to the Tritons. All OEM Modular rods, barring the s/c SVT products, are powdered metal with fracture split ends. Ford makes constant running revisions, there are numerous different part numbers for main and rod bearings for the Modulars, but once again the changes aren't specific to Triton or non-Triton.
- As far as the 2004-up Tritons, the 3V 5.4L iron block is the same 5.4L NVH block found in 5.4Ls (including the 4V Shelby GT500 minus Triton badges) since 2002. The NVH block itself is nothing but a non-NVH 5.4L iron block with 25 lbs. of material added to the weakest areas. The non-NVH 5.4L iron block has also seen duty in the 2000 Cobra R without any Triton badges.