Talk:Foreign Exchange (CNBC World TV program)

Requested move 14 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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• Foreign Exchange (CNBC World) → Foreign Exchange (CNBC World TV program)
• Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) → Foreign Exchange (PBS TV program)
• Foreign Exchange (TV series) → Foreign Exchange (Australian TV series)

– This one's a nightmare – for the first time, I've found an example that will have to go contra "mainline" WP:NCTV, and disambiguate "by network" for two of these. But there's no other option: both of the first two are "U.S. TV programs", so Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) is insufficient disambiguation. Similarly, both U.S. programs premiered in 2005, so Foreign Exchange (2005 TV program) won't work either; not even "double disambiguation" – e.g. Foreign Exchange (2005 U.S. TV program) – solves the issue here. So, I think we're stuck with disambiguation "by TV network" as the only choice here. I'm certainly open to other suggestions! Finally, the third one is easily solved – disambiguating the third one "by country" as Foreign Exchange (Australian TV series) should easily solve that one. Then all of Foreign Exchange (TV series), Foreign Exchange (TV program), and Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) can be made to redirect back to Foreign exchange#Media. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 17:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 19:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

• Question: Are any of these programs notable under WP:RPRGM? I somehow have a hard time seeing how a news program would get enough RS talking about it (without talking about because of some incident, like sexual haresment) even if it was a central program for the network. I did a quick check for both US series and didn't find (but I just did a very superficial check). --Gonnym (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

That's a separate question from what the articles should be named. For the PBS show, I can find incidental mentions: [1], [2] I can't find anything on the CNBC World show. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Well my point being that if they aren't notable, then we don't have an issue with naming :) --Gonnym (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, two points - your second link calls the PBS show a "talk show" and from what I can tell, the show was called for both versions - Foreign Exchange with <host name>[3], [4]. --Gonnym (talk) 19:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

So, in that way, I guess it's similar to Late Show (CBS TV series) in that it's an "overview" article covering both hosts' tenure, and thus the "shortened" title is the correct way to handle it. It is too bad the talk show didn't just have one host, because it could easily be disambig'ed that way, obviously... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:40, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

• OK, that's a possible solution: Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) (PBS) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. talk show) and Foreign Exchange (CNBC World) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program). It's maybe pushing it, but it could work... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Note: No opposition has been registered to the Foreign Exchange (TV series) → Foreign Exchange (Australian TV series) part of this proposal, so that one, at least, seem uncontroversial. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support per OP. By-network for the U.S. programs seems to be the best resolution of this. -- Netoholic @ 00:27, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose initial proposal / Support alt proposal of Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) (PBS) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. talk show) and Foreign Exchange (CNBC World) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) and Support Australian version. --Gonnym (talk) 18:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Though I still think that we might have saved us this whole discussion by just having the discussion of the news shows are even notable (which I am really not sure). --Gonnym (talk) 18:39, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, I suspect the PBS talk show is probably notable (barely), while I doubt the CNBC World program is. But, as I've said before, it's easier to work out "correct" article titles in most cases, then it is to actually get something deleted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• To try to move this along, I will also support the alt proposal: Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program) (PBS) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. talk show) and Foreign Exchange (CNBC World) → Foreign Exchange (U.S. TV program), along with Foreign Exchange (TV series) → Foreign Exchange (Australian TV series). But the alt proposal is still preferable to disambiguating by the deprecated "by network" method... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support all save notability arguments till later in this case. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: Requesting clarification – Is "support all" for the original proposal? Or for the alt. proposal? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:36, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support original proposal. Seems neater than the other proposals, as it doesn't require distinguishing between a "talk show" and a "TV program", and satisfies WP:PRECISE and WP:RECOGNIZE quite easily.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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