Talk:Forest raven/GA1

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 12:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

• I'll take this one, now I know a bit more about ravens in Australia after all... FunkMonk (talk) 12:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
• There's a lot of single sentence paragraphs in this article that I'm not used to seeing elsewhere. Not a problem I guess, but just thought I'd bring it up.

agree this is a bit of an issue - the species is alot less studied than the Australian raven, so can't assume (or use) nearly as much. I'll have a go at some melding after another read-through. have done some melding now. hope it flows ok Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps the cladogram could be moved to the right? Again, not a big issue, but now it clashes with the header and image below.

tried moving up - on right on a wide screen it bumps into taxobox. Bit of a headache we can have all screen widths. Will have a jig of this a bit later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:44, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps the taxobox image could get a caption for clarification?

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• "John Latham had described the south-seas raven" I'd expect quote marks for that name, otherwise it is a bit unclear that it (perhaps) refers to the subject of the article. Also, shouldn't South Seas be capitalised in the name? FunkMonk (talk) 13:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "the specimen resembles what is now known as the Tasmanian raven" Shouldn't the common name used in the title be used throughout?

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Although the term refers to Tonga" Could be a bit more clear what "the term" is.

have changed "term" to "the Friendly Isles", though woirried is a little repetitive - did muse upon "geographical term" as well...would that do? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Fine for me, problem was just that there was little clue as to what was meant.

• "Gmelin gave the species the name" Why not full name and link?

accident - might have happened when rejigging. fixed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "described the forest raven as a distinct subspecies Corvus marianae tasmanicus" But what is Corvus marianae then?

Corvus marianae is an alternate binomial coined by Gregory Mathews (a notorious splitter) for the Australian raven. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Could this be stated in parenthesis or something? Left me wondering, and the name does not appear to redirect to anything... FunkMonk (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

added name and footnote explanation now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

• "as the overlap in size is large and the difference in size small" Isn't either of these redundant?

the first does not automatically assume the second I would have thought (you could have things of quite different sizes with significant overlap...?) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• Shouldn't Conservation be under relations with humans?

I often put it under distribution and habitat as one often talks of overall population and population changes so it strikes me as being a natural flow. I think it flows better there than under the relationships with humans....but don't feel hugely strongly about it I guess.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Birds breed later in Tasmania than they do on mainland Australia, though the species has been little-studied." What is meant with the last part of the sentence? Its breeding has been little studied?

its overall behaviour as well as breeding has been alot less studied than other Australian corvids Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be stated at the start of the behaviour section then? Now it's kind of hidden way down.

shifted up now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

• "with loose throat feathers and being found in "the Friendly Isles" Structure seems a bit odd to me, but perhaps it's alright...

I can see why but can't think of another way to phrase it - these are two key attributes in identifying it but are quite disparate Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• The last paragraph under feeding overlaps quit a bit with parts of Relationship with humans.

tried to reduce overlap of material. Is that enough? Tricky as the material really cuts across two areas. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "but restricted to more closed forest on mainland Australia." But is?

fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "however appear to be nested" However they?

yep/fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• As the intro should summarise the article, I'd expect a bit about breeding?

yep/added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "The plumage is a glossy black, with a blue or green sheen visible on upper plumage, there is no seasonal variation in plumage." Plumage becomes a bit repetitive (three time sin a sentence), any way to vary it?

rejigged - added "entirely" but not sure whether redundant. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

• Nice, most of these were nitpicks, so will pass now. FunkMonk (talk) 00:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)