Talk:Fostina Dixon

Birth Date.

As far as I can tell, the date most recently placed into the article is the reference "Gary W. Kennedy, "Fostina Dixon". The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz. 2nd edition, ed. Barry Kernfeld." I've googled that year and "Fostina Brown" and I don't see anything that isn't a wikipedia mirror or derivation in some way, so that appear to be *the* reference. Obviously, if it can't be confirmed it gets deleted, but I'm not sure if the OTRS is general in terms of no dates being available or against the different year in the earlier version of the page.Naraht (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

The YOB has been confirmed a few times (as you surmise, via VRTS) to be in published version of Grove DoJ that appears in the reference. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Primefac VRTS? Then the question is whether it also contains the year/month that has also been added.Naraht (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

No, just year, which I have managed (so far) to maintain as the only sourced content. Primefac (talk) 20:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Primefac. I don't recognize the abbreviation VTRS.Naraht (talk) 20:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:VRTS. OTRS no longer exists. Primefac (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac: The YOB has been removed again and is most likely related to this post left on your user talk page. I didn't revert the last IP's removal, but most likely an IP will keep showing up and removing it regardless of whether it's justified in doing so. The YOB seems acceptable per WP:DOB so it probably should be re-added unless there's a consensus not to do so. The "problem" is that the subject of the article might feel that her preference is all the consensus that's needed. So, unless the subject can be made to understand this, the article might need PP to stop the IPs. Personally, I could seeing being really WP:BLPKIND in a case like this if the subject of the article went a got her identity verified by VRT and then made formal request either on this talk page or at BLPN to have the YOB removed, but again that's something the subject would need to do herself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

We've been receiving emails through VRTS since 2018 about the matter, and they have all been referred to Legal. Given that we (the OS team) have not yet received back any comment from Legal about the matter means either there was never follow-through or it is a community decision to make. There has clearly been a request below to remove this, and I genuinely do not care whether it is kept or not, but until this point there has not been a discussion about the matter, which is why I have restored it in the past. Primefac (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I am Fostina Dixon. You have above Fostina Brown. I have preferences and choices about my life and career. Please respect that. I do not accept the year that has been posted previously. Please don't post the year again posted before 11-28-22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FossieMaestra (talk • contribs) 10:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the preferences of an article subject do not always get followed; if we received a request from Mel Gibson (don't know why, that was just the first name that came to my head) to remove the Controversies section, we would say no, because it is sourced content and relevant to the article. There is a general consensus on-wiki that while we are okay with not having the specific date of birth for an individual, at the very least a year of birth should be included to give a general age of the subject. Obviously a discussion on the talk page (like this one) can decide whether it should be included or not, but until that discussion ends I would strongly advise that you let the conversation play out - continuing to edit war to remove the content will do you no favours. Primefac (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac: Maybe PP until this can be sorted out because the IPs are likely going to keep coming. One thing to consider is whether the cited source actually gives her YOB. There's no direct link provided for the citation, but the source can be found on Google Books. If the source can't be verified, then maybe it shouldn't used for this type of content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Reasonable. Done. Primefac (talk) 10:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

@Chubbles: Would you mind clarifying what the source you're citing in support of the YOB actually says? Is it available somewhere online? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

The book is this one. Available in your local library's music reference section. Chubbles (talk) 05:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

As I said earlier, the book and contents have been verified. Primefac (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Since the source seems reliable and others have been able to verify it's being used in WP:RSCONTEXT, then I don't think there's much of WP:DOB reason for removing the subject's YOB from the article. So, it seems then to be a question of whether consideration should be given to the subject's preferences in this particular case. Perhaps this is something which has come up before with respect to another article? How this thing has been previously handled might be helpful in resolving things here. Maybe adding a note about this to WP:BLPN or some WikiProject talk pages would help generate more participation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I confirmed exactly what Grove says today through the library; it substantiates day, year, and place of birth, and is as trustworthy as, e.g., Britannica or MGG as a vetted third-party reference. Dixon's birth details are a matter of public record. Chubbles (talk) 02:43, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

COI tag (November 2022)

article's subject is removing content Theroadislong (talk) 09:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I would argue that they are not a major contributor to this article, so I have removed the tag. Having a COI and editing a page are not in and of themselves reasons to add the notice. Primefac (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Month day and Decade?

The book "Black women in American bands and orchestras" By D. Antoinette Handy · 1998 gives the birthdate as "b. August 16, 195?"

That's a new one on me. But apparently the IP edits are fine with the August 16, it is the exact year they have a problem with...Naraht (talk) 00:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)