Talk:Frail State of Mind/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bilorv (talk · contribs) 13:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll review this sometime in the next 96 hours. Love this song, looking forward to it. I've made a couple of edits to the article but they're all vandal-reverting or minor maintenance stuff, so I'm fine to be an independent reviewer. — Bilorv (talk) 13:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Background

• "with the singer saying: [...]" – Per MOS:QUOTE, prose summary is better than a long quote wherever possible. Here, there are no dazzling speech fluorishes from Healy so it's better just to write in your own words the three key events: announced that it would be two albums; first album released; second album (containing FSOM) released.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 17:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• As for the Dazed interview, I think this fits in the second paragraph, about the themes of the song rather than release details. If that paragraph then needs to be split into two due to length, that's fine.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 17:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• However, much of the second paragraph can be made more concise. Take the sentence: Healy sought to "[go] back to a place where [the 1975] grew up" and channelled the experiences of "17, 18 year old [Healy] and George [Daniel]." It says the same thing twice. Either quote implies the other if you stop and think for a second what the core information is—Healy was thinking about the band's childhood. So we could say this as: Healy channeled his teenage experiences or An inspiration was Healy and Daniel's late teenage selves or whatever you like, but we don't need 2 quotes or 26 words.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 17:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• Describing the single, the singer said: "It's about anxiety... it's quite sombre [...] It kind of blends between euphoria and UK Garage and yeah, it goes from a real sadness to a real euphoria." should be Healy described the song as "sombre" and progressing from "sadness" to "euphoria". (we've already heard about the anxiety and UK garage).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 17:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• the 1975 shut themselves out from the outside world – Can you point me to what part of the NME source you are summarising here?

"[...] it was almost like we kind of just closed the door on the world a little bit and just went into this record." (pp. 4).  Done Giacobbe ^talk 17:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Composition

• File:The 1975 - Frail State of Mind.ogg is fine under our non-free use criteria, but the description can be improved. "An audio sample highlighting specific production qualities." – Rather than claiming this, list the qualities (i.e. the aspects mentioned in prose that you can hear in this clip). Doesn't need to be exhaustive but just a flavour of the reasons it's important for the reader to be able to hear the music.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• Can the audio be trimmed by roughly a second so that it doesn't end mid-line? Healy's changeover is incredibly quick but "I'm sure that you're fine" would be a better ending than "I haven't to—".

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Great stuff. I've added English subtitles for a bit of fun (TimedText:The_1975_-_Frail_State_of_Mind.ogg.en.srt) though they've changed the system recently so that the listener has to turn them on manually. — Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Great! Thank you! Giacobbe ^talk 12:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• Rather than a word dump of 14 genres and 8 production comments, how about taking these out and expanding the first sentence to something like "Frail State of Mind" incorporates elements from pop subgenres, such as X, Y and Z, electronic music, including X, Y and Z, and house music, specifically X, Y and Z. For the production comments, ideally I'd like to see things like The shuffling drum line and soft electronic piano beat are aspects of post-dubstep (not a true statement, just an example) i.e. links made between these aspects and genres, but otherwise they can at least be reordered by subject (drums; other instrumentation; vocals; electronics and texture).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• Related to the production point above: I'm not a fan of these quotes-out-of-nowhere in the prose between The production consists ... consisting of ocean noises and synths. All are unneeded fluorishes (e.g. "thick" heavy drums should just be heavy drums) except "drizzly autumnal" textures, which should either be taken out or given its own sentence where the critic is named in prose.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Chris DeVille of Stereogum noted "Frail State of Mind" contained ... sounds like it refers to the whole sentence, rather than just the first quote. — Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Reworded it to put the quote last  Done Giacobbe ^talk 12:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• MOS:OVERLINK's "Everyday words understood by most readers in context" suggests de-linking of everything between "depression" and "anti-social behaviour" except perhaps those two words themselves. Rest of this paragraph is well-written though.

 DoneGiacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• The first sentence of the third paragraph is another link dump. Reviewers found what similarities? Who are these groups? I'd recommend instead choosing a couple of the more major comparisons and spelling them out ("X found the use of ambient music similar to house musician Y" or whatever the source says).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• Similar in what way to "TooTime..." and "How to Draw"?

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 23:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I think there's a "the" missing in who called "cadence" and "flow". — Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Good catch!  Done Giacobbe ^talk 12:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

• I have to confess not understanding what "prime back-of-the-N29-at-2am listening" means. Good music to sing along to? Good music to keep you company on a long drive? Good music to keep your focus (the opposite being background music)? If the reviewer doesn't make this clear then find another quote; if the reviewer does then paraphrase if possible or quote a different segment.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 00:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Really common mistake in ... a term coined by music journalists to describe a subgenre of ambient-influenced post-dubstep originating in South London; listened to on a bus home ... – The semicolon should just be a comma. Semicolons (outside of long lists) are only used when both clauses could be standalone sentences. — Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 12:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• The Harvard Crimson sentence belongs in the above section, where it is already present, but "the link between ..." still doesn't tell me what the musical similarities between these songs are.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 00:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• How are the reviews structured? I would find it easier to read if they were structured by subject (music style; lyrics; etc.).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 00:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking much better! — Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Music video

• A music video [...], and was [...], and filmed [...]. strikes me as a bit too long. How about two sentences: [...] was released on 21 November 2019. It was co-directed [...].? Otherwise, good writing.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 00:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Other

• I'll take it on good faith that the charts and release history are exhaustive because I'm not an expert here.
• (Not a GA requirement.) The music video from "External links" can go in the misc parameter of the infobox (take a look at how similar articles do this).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 01:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• The lead will need updating a bit to match changes from the body.

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 01:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• Will check refs a bit more after changes, but it's a good range of sources and the publications are reliable.

Thanks for your work on this. Though the comments above might be quite taxing, I hope they're useful. This'll go  On hold for a week but I won't fail it so long as progress continues to be made. — Bilorv (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Reference spotchecks

• A Brief Inquiry...'s November 2018 release date needs a source, though it's hardly controversial. (Also, "into" should be lowercase.)

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 12:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• In the first sentence of Composition, none of the sources say "ballad" (all other things are verified).

 Done Giacobbe ^talk 12:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• No other issues found.

— Bilorv (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant stuff, appreciate the very quick responses and that's a pass for GA! — Bilorv (talk) 13:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.