Talk:Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence

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The current title, "AI Convention", is simple, but maybe not specific enough. The full, official name is "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law". I think this should probably be the title of the article. Even if the title is long, we could add redirect pages and use shorter name in the rest of the article, like "framework convention". If it's still considered too long as a title, perhaps "Framework Convention on AI" would be an alternative. I'm not sure which term secondary sources use most. Alenoach (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't look like there is a clear majority WP:COMMONNAME among secondary sources:

• Reuters (source used in the article) - "AI Convention"
• The National (source used in the article) - "AI Convention", "Framework Convention"
• The Guardian - "framework convention on artificial intelligence"
• The Hindu - "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law"
• The Verge - "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence"
• Engadget - "Framework Convention on artificial intelligence and human rights, democracy, and the rule of law"

A primary source, the Council of Europe, calls it "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence" on a web page and in a PDF uses "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law".

The manual of style WP:CRITERIA for article titles are Recognizability, Naturalness, Precision, Concision, Consistency:

• I agree, @Alenoach, that "AI Convention" is not precise enough. (It sounds like an event, a conference).
• The full title of "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law" loses a lot of concision vs. "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence".
• There's already a DAB page for Framework convention, listing other similar articles. Some of these have somewhat unwieldy titles that nonetheless use the full name of the treaty concerned. I don't think this title is really any worse than any of them concision-wise, so using the full title is a win for consistency, and does add something in terms of precision (there are likely to be various AI treaties in future).

So on balance, I'd propose a move to the full title Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law, as long as we're sensible about using a shortened form elsewhere in the article. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

What about the middle version, "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence"? Do you think this is better or worse than "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law"? Alenoach (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to either name. I prefer the shorter version on a personal level for its concision. But given that there's no common name per sources, I'm not sure that alone makes it a clear policy-based winner over the more precise longer version. Do you have a preference? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

To make yourself an idea of how a long title looks like on screen, the article title Safe and Secure Innovation for Frontier Artificial Intelligence Models Act is 74-characters long, and it's one of the longest Wikipedia titles I have seen. "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law" would be 95-characters long. I'm not familiar enough with the topic to say if much useful information is lost by omitting " and Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law" in the title.

Overall, I guess it's probably better to adopt "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence". It's a pragmatic option, even though it's not as technically accurate. But like you I wouldn't object to either name. Would be good if we could even shorten it to "Framework Convention on AI", but if this abbreviation not used in secondary sources, we are probably not supposed to. Alenoach (talk) 14:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a helpful perspective RE: other long names. This one is longer by character count than others at framework convention, so let's go with "Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence" per your point about pragmatism over technical accuracy. For recognizability, I prefer "Artificial Intelligence" over AI. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)