Talk:François-Louis Auvity

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank you for this article. Please state your opinion on the French Wikipedia article at fr:François-Louis Auvity. Could that be article be used to expand the English Wikipedia article?

—Alalch E. 15:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I answered this question unambiguously on my page, and I'm reproducing my reply here, so that everyone be aware of the deception going on on the French page: CERTAINLY NOT, it would rather be the opposite, insofar as THIS article, in English, is 100 percent objective and reliable, while the article in French was visibly biased, in January 2020 and again in January 2023, by an admirer of Auvity and an apologist for the Nazi clergy in occupied France. Mémoiredumaquis (talk) 11:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Copied from my user talk page, for the record

As I mentioned on the Peer Review page for this article, I discovered immediately after adding my comments that the main author, Mémoiredumaquis, had died. I said then that I'd see if I could add anything of value to bring the article up to GA standard. I've had a go, but don't, in all honesty, think I've achieved that and would welcome any additions or alterations from editors including KJP1 and Ssilvers, who commented on the PR page, and from any other editor kind enough to look in. Tim riley talk 13:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, but you did bring it up to real B-class level, which is a big improvement, IMO. I went through it and asked a few questions (using both templates and hidden comments), and requested a couple of citations, which may already be there somewhere but should probably be repeated where requested. I also added some wikilinks, but please review to make sure that I did not misunderstand. For people who are not French, or not Christians, there are a lot of mentions of place names, Catholic lingo and dioceses that need linking. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

You’ve done a grand job of re-ordering, and making the best use possible of the limited sourcing. He’s surprisingly under-researched, or perhaps not too surprising as I suspect it was a stone many would have preferred left unturned. The extent of French/Vichy collaboration with the Nazis is a tricky subject. Rather like consideration of Francoist supporters in Spain, of whom there were many, not least in the Catholic Church hierarchy, it’s all rather an embarrassment. I’ll see whether I can add anything from the meagre book sources. KJP1 (talk) 06:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Possible sources

possible illustration

• Bir-Hakeim

KJP1 (talk) 06:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I added this to the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

KJP1, Ssilvers – thank you both so much for your additions and edits. I think we have done pretty much all we can with the available material and I hope the late Mémoiredumaquis would have approved of what we have done between us. Tim riley talk 19:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and I am guessing that it is a better article than the French version is now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)