Talk:Francesca Battistelli

I'm Letting Go

Split - Song has charted and has been reviewed by several orgs. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

• You don't need to be formal and ask for a split on a song, especially when you're only splitting out a sentence or two. It was a major Contemporary Christian song that charted high. Go for it! Royalbroil 12:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Francesca Battistelli discography

Support split - Discography is becoming lengthy, and should be split off to Francesca Battistelli discography. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ping - @Walter Görlitz:, @Royalbroil:... Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:37, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Support. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Support. Royalbroil 00:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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Name Change

Page should probably be renamed ‘Francesca Ackerman’ with ‘Francesca Battistelli’ redirecting to this page. Teeterski (talk) 03:27, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Two factors: are there any reliable sources using that name and by which name is she better known? I would oppose a move unless both were satisfied. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Even if she uses her husband's family name in private, until we have sources that use that name to represent her professionally, we sill not be changing it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Francesca Ackerman listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Francesca Ackerman. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Sixth pregnancy and NOTNEWS

First, WP:NOTNEWS states "not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia". It later states "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary." She's pregnant. She had the baby. The baby weighed. The baby's sex was..." As the policy states, not all events they are involved in are notable. To call The Christian Beat a news site is also a stretch. It's a Christian version of Tiger Beat meets People with a bit of music mixed in. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you could provide us with an example of a single consensus where a contemporary notable woman's pregnancy example was not deemed noteworthy. Because right now you're just waving your hands. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

No consensus on pregnancy, but you should probably gain consensus to ignore NOTNEWS like this. Oh, and if you add it, you might want to consider correct spacing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC pregnancy and birth announcements

Are pregnancy announcements notable, when either sourced via primary sources such as social media or secondary sources. Are birth announcements notable when through similar sources? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

A bit of background. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz some content on an unrelated article that is on my watchlist about a relationship between two musicians because it was not current. restored and found a second source, and gave some parameters to the relationship . I then checked the article on the other subject and the editor removed it there as well. I was then of being a hypocrite for removing this content and editor restored the birth announcement . I do not expect this to end in consensus.

In short, pregnancy announcements usually end with a birth or a miscarriage, and within 40 weeks. Those are more notable events than the conception itself, but knowing the evangelical community's position on fetuses, I may be underestimating this. We'll save the question about relationships for a separate RfC, but they can end quickly, so I see Hullaballoo Wolfowitz' position, but some continue for years. Since not all events notable individuals are involved in are notable, I would argue that pregnancy is one of them. Granted, we could replace the pregnancy announcement once the birth is announced. Separately, the source here is not of the highest quality. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Walter Görlitz, notability isn't the issue here; whether a pregnancy/birth/whatever announcement is covered is governed by WP:DUE (and by WP:NOTGOSSIP). If the only sources reporting on it are poor quality, then it is very likely unwarranted in the encyclopedia. JoelleJay (talk) 00:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree with JoelleJay, especially with the last part. I'm going to repeat it because I feel it's by far the most important argument here: "If the only sources reporting on it are poor quality, then it is very likely unwarranted in the encyclopedia". PraiseVivec (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I also agree with JoelleJay but think that WP:INDISCRIMINATE is equally as important which says, in effect: that information, even when reliably sourced, should have encyclopedic value and that being verifiably true does not automatically make it suitable for inclusion. Considering this article, I do not see a problem with including Battistelli's announcement of her 5th pregnancy in either context or sourcing.--John Cline (talk) 11:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I second the citation to WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The full quote is "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." As it relates to this article, I don't see how this is a notable event that warrants inclusion in the article.Jurisdicta (talk) 06:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)