Talk:Francis G. Brink

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Brigadier general Francis G. Brink, the first commander of Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) Indochina, committed suicide at the Pentagon with three bullet wounds in the chest? Source: "Pentagon gunshot fatal to General". The New York Times. 25 June 1952. p. 15. https://www.nytimes.com/1952/06/25/archives/pentagon-gunshot-fatal-to-general-brink-indochina-team-chief.html

Created by Mztourist (talk). Self-nominated at 09:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC).

• @Mztourist: Please link the article from The New York Times in the article and change "The Pentagon" to "the Pentagon." Otherwise is a suitable hook. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
  • @Mztourist: Thank you for the link. Since I can not verify the content of the article beyond the freely-accessible blurb I will take your statement regarding the three bullet wounds on good faith and approve the hook. Thank you, it's a cool little hook. Nice job! ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
    • yes, sorry its paywalled. Thanks Mztourist (talk) 13:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
      • @Pbritti and Mztourist: I was back-and-forth on this hook for a while, but I think I'm going to voice my thoughts and see what y'all think. To me, the hook feels like we're saying that the most interesting thing we could think of about this person is that he killed himself. The oft-quoted line from DYK's guidelines is that Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals... should be avoided, and yeah, while this is a neutral description, I don't think this is something we should be airing on the MP. What do you think? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:14, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
        • Hey, Theleekycauldron. I do agree it is a tad morbid, but that oft quoted line deals with living individuals in particular and, well…anyhow, if you think it’s a hair insensitive, I think Mztourist can find something else for the hook. ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
          • Ah, true, I do often forget our BLP policies usually rely on the idea that dead people aren't alive. Also, looks like there's an unsourced paragraph (okay, it's a tiny sentence, but it's standalone). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
            • That's the hook, if its too morbid then it doesn't get onto DYK. Mztourist (talk) 07:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
              • @Mztourist and Pbritti: Would you be open to this? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
                • ALT1: ... that American Brigadier general Francis G. Brink thought that military leaders should also be politicians? source and a bit o' context
                  • Thanks, but it doesn't grab me as a hook. Mztourist (talk) 13:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5

"Apparent suicide"

The article currently calls Gen. Brink's death an "apparent suicide". This is an odd turn of phrase. He had three bullet holes in his chest. I don't have any hypotheses on his manner of death, but it's an apparent homicide.

Even if it turns out he really did die by suicide, it's far from apparent. TypoBoy (talk) 02:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)