Talk:Francisco Luis Héctor de Carondelet

Botched redirect

The redirection was done in the wrong direction. Hector is merely the last of the man's first names, and Carondelet (properly, de Carondelet) is his last name. See any history of Louisiana; the three on my site (Gayarré, Kendall and King, the last two properly of New Orleans rather than Louisiana), will do. Bill 21:35, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I've seen conflicting listings for the proper form of his name. Some colonial Louisiana doccuments refer to him simply as "Carondelet". In some sources I've seen him refered to as the "Baron of Carondelet" (which rather left me wondering if there was some place called Carondelet which he was the Baron of). If there is a good source or reason to move this article to another title I have no objection. What I objected to was changing links from a multi paragraph article to a sentence long stub giving an alternative title for the same subject. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Proper article title

Article should most correctly be titled:

• Francisco Luis Hector
• Francisco de Carondelet
• Hector de Carondelet
• Francisco Luis Hector de Carondelet

Other suggestions, sources? -- Infrogmation, who cares more that the forked stubs be combined into one article than which is option is chosen.

I agree that the two stubs should be combined; but there is not the slightest shadow of a question about the man's name. As any reference work will show, his last name is (de) Carondelet, the de (in French terminology, the particule) being treated as elsewhere for names of the nobility. All the rest is Christian names, and the article should not be here. Persisting in this curious article title will just be another thing to add to the umpteen zillion that make Wikipedia look ridiculous and call into question its reliability as a source of information. Bill 19:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

And I was just delighted to find that I wasn't completely powerless, as one usually is in the matter of back-and-forth redirects (requiring admin intervention). The proper name had not been used at all. I made the change thruout. Bill 19:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not uncommon for titles to become last names over time, and to erase the original last name. Similarly, last names can be the source of the names for estates. That appears to be the case with the Barons of Carondelet. Bejnar 18:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace

The other stub, now just a redirect to here, gives Cambrai as his place of birth. Assuming Noyelles (Flanders) is correct, it's a town in the general district of Cambrai: often when someone is born in a very small place, biographical dictionaries give the larger district as the birthplace. Presumably this is what happened here, although checking is in order. There are by the way 12 places in Northeastern France by the name of Noyelles; some attempt should also be made to find out which one is meant. Bill 14:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

According to this site in French his birthplace is Noyelles-sur-Selle, between Cambrai and Valenciennes. -- CamsterE 16:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S.S. "Carondelet"

It was a famous Union river ironclad gunboat in the American Civil War (1861-65). See Clive Cussler's "The Sea Hunters". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 11:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)