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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 02:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Nominator: TonyTheTiger(T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 02:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Reply


1: Well-written

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      • Major Point 1: "Underwood was born ..." (Background of Underwood, not covered in the body)
      • Major Point 2: "During season 1, he is a Democrat ..." (should be a summary of section Season 1)
      • Major Point 3: "In season 2, he is ..." (not covered in the body)
      • Major Point 4: "... narrative technique that breaks the fourth wall ..." (not covered in the body, the term fourth wall appears only in the lead)
      • Major Point 5: Awards and nominations (OK)
      • Major Point 6 (Body): Critical response (not covered in the lead)
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2: Verifiable with no original research

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    • "When Urquhart addressed the audience, it was partly in the spirit of conspiratorial fun. His asides sparked with wit. He wasn't just ruthlessly striving, he was amusing himself, mocking the ridiculousness of his milieu. There is no impishness about Spacey’s Frank Underwood, just numb, machine-like ambition. Even his affection for his wife is a calculation."[3] (Check on source 3, partly successful, "The British “House of Cards,” which aired on the BBC in 1990 and inspired this new version, had a different protagonist in Ian Richardson’s Francis Urquhart. When Urquhart addressed the audience, it was partly in the spirit of conspiratorial fun. His asides sparked with wit. He wasn’t just ruthlessly striving, he was amusing himself, mocking the ridiculousness of his milieu. There is no impishness about Spacey’s Frank Underwood, just numb, machine-like ambition.", Even his affection for his wife is a calculation is not in source 3)
    • "I love that woman, I love her more than sharks love blood."[3] (Check on source 3, unsuccessful, it should actually be cited to source 11 which has ""I love that woman," Francis Underwood says to the camera at one point about his wife. "I love her more than sharks love blood."")
    • "remorselessly self- interested, desiring power for power's sake". [4] (Check on source 4, successful, ""That's not to say he's a good person, obviously like Francis Urquhart before him he's remorselessly self- interested, desiring power for power's sake, but the question posed is: is that so bad if he gets things done?")
    • "menacing" character, "hiding his rage behind Southern charm and old-fashioned courtesy,"[4] (Check on source 4, successful, "Certainly Spacey swiftly manages to banish memories of Richardson's wicked twinkle, presenting us instead with a more quietly menacing man, hiding his rage behind Southern charm and old-fashioned courtesy.")
    • "Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value." — Underwood[5] (Check on source 5, successful, "EARLY in the new Netflix series “House of Cards” the narrator and card player Representative Francis Underwood, played by Kevin Spacey, looks straight into the camera and tells viewers: “Power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value.”")
    • "…is on a quest for power that’s just as suspenseful as anything on television."[5] (Check on source 5, successful, "Underwood, having been spurned in his bid to become secretary of state, is on a quest for power that’s just as suspenseful as anything on television.")
    • "I’m feelin’ hungry today!" ... [6] (Check on source 6, successful, "he has a Washington BBQ joint open early to serve him a celebratory rack of ribs, because “I’m feelin’ hungry today!”")
    • "She’s as tough as a two-dollar steak." ... [6] (Check on source 6, successful, "He describes the White House Chief of Staff with grudging admiration: “She’s as tough as a two-dollar steak.”")
    • "you devour a whale. One bite at a time." ... [6] (Check on source 6, successful, "He plans to destroy an enemy the way “you devour a whale. One bite at a time.”")
    • "[imagining] their lightly salted faces frying in a skillet."[6] (Check on source 6, successful, "And he endures a tedious weekly meeting with House leaders, he tells us, by “[imagining] their lightly salted faces frying in a skillet.”")
    • "Spacey gives Underwood a silky Southern accent you could pour over crushed ice and sip with a sprig of mint on Derby Day."[6] (Check on source 6, successful, "He makes you feel–as Underwood must everyone he wheedles and lobbies–like the only person in the room not beneath his contempt. And Spacey gives Underwood a silky Southern accent you could pour over crushed ice and sip with a sprig of mint on Derby Day.")
    • "scheming politician" who does "some of the most evil and underhanded things imaginable".[7] (Check on source 7, successful, "As Underwood, even in the first season, you’ve gotten to do some of the most evil and underhanded things imaginable. Where can he go in Season 2?")
    • "…conniving Congressman Frank Underwood, is easily one of the most complex antiheroes on TV — except he’s not on TV".[8] (Check on source 8, successful, "Spacey’s character, conniving Congressman Frank Underwood, is easily one of the most complex antiheroes on TV — except he’s not on TV.")
    • "all but salivates over the chance to use his considerable power to gain more power, especially if it involves pulling the rug out from under some colleagues and the wool over the eyes of others."[9] (Check on source 9, successful, "Spacey, digging into his overstuffed trunk to dust off the Southern cad he played in "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil," all but salivates over the chance to use his considerable power to gain more power, especially if it involves pulling the rug out from under some colleagues and the wool over the eyes of others.")
    • "Machiavelli taking you under his wing and walking you through the corridors of power, explaining the totally mundane and crass on a mechanical level to the most grotesque manipulations of a system that is set up to have all these checks and balances".[10] (Check on source 10, successful, "“The idea of Machiavelli taking you under his wing and walking you through the corridors of power, explaining the totally mundane and crass on a mechanical level to the most grotesque manipulations of a system that is set up to have all these checks and balances was just too delicious,” said Fincher.")
    • "charm" ... [10] (Check on source 10, successful, "“Where [the U.S. version] falls down is that the leading character doesn’t have the charm.")
    • "Dickensian" ... [10] (Check on source 10, successful, "Willimon felt that Frank Underwood as a name “felt Dickensian and more legitimately American” than Francis Urquhart. ")
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    • "mild but sometimes missing Carolina accent".[11] (Check on source 11, successful, "Some of those things, like Mr. Spacey's mild but sometimes missing Carolina accent, don't matter. ")
    • "scheming" [14] (Check on source 14, successful, "Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright, who portray the scheming husband and wife at the center of “House of Cards,” were also nominated as lead actor and actress.")
    • "My husband doesn’t apologize...even to me."[19] (Check on source 19, successful, "Claire applauds all his vices except weakness. “My husband doesn’t apologize,” she tells him, “even to me.”")
    • "ask any questions" ... [19] (Check on source 19, successful, "She begs Francis to be her source and promises not only to protect his identity but also to print whatever he tells her and not to “ask any questions.”")
    • "Fairfax County Council" beat to covering "'what's behind the veil' of power in the Capitol hallways."[20] (Check on source 20, successful, "who works at a Washington Post-like newspaper and who would do anything to cover “what’s behind the veil” of power in the Capitol hallways and get herself off what she erroneously calls the “Fairfax County Council” beat. (From which she has filed copy about jogging trails in Rock Creek Park. Girl gets around.)")
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3: Broad in its coverage

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4: Neutral

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    • Source (WP:NFCC#4): http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/House_of_Cards/70178217
    • Use in article (WP:NFCC#7): Frank Underwood (House of Cards)
    • Purpose of use in article (WP:NFCC#8): For visual identification of the object of the article. The article as a whole is dedicated specifically to a discussion of this work.
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    • Caption - "Kevin Spacey as Frank Underwood." (succinct and informative)

As per the above checklist, the issues identified are:

This article is a very promising GA nominee. I'm glad to see your work here. I'm putting the article on hold. All the best! --Seabuckthorn ♥ 14:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Refer here. The difference between the two revisions is the addition of two sentences in the lead. They are: "The character has been described as evil, conniving and even Machiavellian while receiving significant critical praise." and "The character has also been Golden Globe Award- and SAG Award-nominated.". The latter sentence belongs to the Major Point 5: Awards and nominations (OK), which was never an issue. The former sentence belongs to the Major Point 6 (Body): Critical response for which the lead still does not provide an accessible overview and does not give Relative emphasis. Please compare the due weight given to these two points in the body and the lead. In fact, you've hardly addressed any issues raised in the review since the article is on hold. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 15:09, 16 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

The current version (after last edit at 05:04, 18 January 2014‎) of the article is here. On applying the above checklist to the latest version, the issues identified are:

  • Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):     Done
    • Major Point 1: Background and description "Underwood is from Gaffney … speaks in a southern dialect." (not a concise summary of the Background and description section)
    • Major Point 1.1: Underwood vs. Urquhart "" (not in the lead)
    • Major Point 2: Season 1 "During season 1, he is a … " (not a concise summary of the Season 1 section)
    • Major Point 3: Season 2 "In season 2, he is the … " (summarised well in the lead)
    • Major Point 4: Critical response "The character has been described as evil, conniving and even Machiavellian while receiving significant critical praise … vicious, powerful and corrupt politician." (not a concise summary of the Critical response section)
    • Major Point 4.1: Awards and nominations "" (summarised well in the lead)
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    • Major Point 1: Background and description "Underwood is from Gaffney … speaks in a southern dialect." (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body)
    • Major Point 1.1: Underwood vs. Urquhart "" (not in the lead)
    • Major Point 2: Season 1 "During season 1, he is a … " (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body)
    • Major Point 3: Season 2 "In season 2, he is the … " (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
    • Major Point 4: Critical response "The character has been described as evil, conniving and even Machiavellian while receiving significant critical praise … vicious, powerful and corrupt politician." (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body)
    • Major Point 4.1: Awards and nominations "" (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
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    • Section Season 2 needs to be fixed.
    • Short paragraphs need to be fixed.

  This nomination has been on hold for 7 days. I'm going to fail this nomination due to above issues. If you resolve the above issues at a later date, feel free to renominate the article for GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 17:38, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

I've reverted my review closure as per discussions in the GA forum. However, I'd like to resign from this review. I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 06:07, 21 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Outside comment: This article bases all its information on what has been revealed in Season 1 of House of Cards. In 3 weeks (on February 14), all of Season 2 will be released, doubling the amount of information on Frank's character, background, actions, etc. It's unavoidable that the article will change a great deal quite rapidly at this point. I think this may introduce stability concerns, per criterion 5. If it were just season 4 or 5 that were about to be released, I wouldn't think the amount of new information would be enough to create a problem. And in an ordinary TV show, where new episodes are released once each week, this might not be a problem. But the amount of new information that will be released, combined with the fact that it will be released all at once, combined with the nearness of the release date—put together, that makes me think that a GAN really shouldn't pass until after season 2 is out (and after critics have had time to give sourceable analysis). – Quadell (talk) 12:27, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • The content won't nearly double. Maybe it will expand 20%. Most of the content will be unchanged. It is not like he will become a new character with a new background, style and history. He is not going to switch parties, change accents, get a new wife, recognize a new hometown or stop breaking the fourth wall.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
You're right that much of Frank's personality and background is likely to remain stable, but I'm not sure if we can know how much or how little his character will change. If he were to, for instance, become President of the U.S. (mere speculation, but not impossible), then that fact would belong in the lead sentence. Chapter 8 of Season 1 abruptly showed that Frank was secretly gay, or at least had a homosexual relationship in college, which was totally unexpected; I think it possible that further unexpected and character-changing revelations will occur in Season 2. (I'm not taking over and failing the GAN for criteria 5 concerns; I'm merely raising the issue so that whoever takes over this review can take it into account.)
Speaking of which, why is Frank's former homosexual relationship not mentioned? Reliable sources at Slate, AVClub, and a NYT blog mention it. – Quadell (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
I hadn't heard of it or seen mention of it before you pointed this out. I will add it now.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
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