Talk:Frankenmuth, Michigan

Economy

people in frankenmuth are crazy about selling Bananas. --24.192.139.167 21:24, 1 November 2007

That's funny... I thought they were bananas about selling cheese. --Lance E Sloan (talk) 17:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Tornado of 1996

Im a bit shocked there is no mention of the tornado there. It made National News when it happen. It was building up over where i lived and took down all the skirting off our mobile homes we live in out in this trailor park.--Dr. Pizza (talk) 01:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing stopping you from adding it yourself.Asher196 (talk) 01:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Snopes article

I found:

• "Cross Ayes." Snopes

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Serious notability issues invite deletions

No offense is intended, but the entry is vastly larger than the town's notability warrants. To wit: "Frankenmuth's Summer Music Fest, now in its 22nd year, is a week long polka festival. The festival usually includes acts such as The Fabulous Hubcaps, Steve Meisner, and the Versatones." So basically, a non-notable festival featuring three non-notable performers! C'mon, folks. I'm all for civic pride, but WP is not a PR organ. Everything in the article that doesn't pass Wikipedia:Notability must be removed. It will be prettier if you do it yourself, than if I have to do it. Bricology (talk) 07:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

"must be removed" is a little strong. I read through the article and didn't see anything warranting such a strong action. You can find literally thousands of wiki articles full of unsourced trivia with debatable notability. A brief mention of a summer festival in a popular tourist destination doesn't seem out of line.--Asher196 (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Asher's analysis. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I can see part of your point - the entry should be trimmed to remove the advertising mention of sample past acts. However, your solution is too draconian; a brief (one sentence) mention of the festival and what it celebrates seems acceptable - at worst, it may warrant a {{cn}} tag, but that's about it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

"Must be removed" isn't my assertion, it's WP's. Look it up yourself: Wikipedia:Notability_(events) and Wikipedia:SPIP#Self-promotion_and_indiscriminate_publicity. To wit: "Wikipedia is not a promotional medium. Self-promotion, paid material, autobiography, and product placement are not valid routes to an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it – without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter." I'm not wasting my time with trying to be a killjoy; I'm doing what every good WP editor should be concerned with: maintaining the quality of WP as an encyclopedia. Bricology (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:SPIP is a subsection of WP:N, which is clearly labelled: "On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a topic can have its own article."(emphasis mine)

You seem to be arguing that because the events are not notable enough for their own articles, they cannot be mentioned anywhere within Wikipedia - that is simply not the case. The fact that the events do not meet requirements for an article of their own does not preclude mentions within articles about the city in which they occur - if the inclusion criteria established by talk-page consensus is to include the mention. Again, at best, {{cn}} tagging may be reasonable - but no need to delete the section entirely. There's also room to discuss the consensus on what inclusion criteria should be used; ie: what threshold for inclusion should be used - simply existing generally isn't enough, but consensus can also be more lenient than the strict level of WP:N, such as using a mention on an official city website or other agreed upon published source. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Barek is exactly correct. I disagree with Bricology's unfounded analysis and assertion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Note: After looking at the section again, I do feel that the entries for the "Dog Bowl and Great Lakes Regional Hot Air Balloon Championships" and for the "Bavarian Fest" seem somewhat promotional and fail WP:NPOV, so both should be rewritten (and likely trimmed somewhat as WP:WEIGHT could also be an issue with the entries for those two events). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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"Mut" vs "Muth"

The lead says, correctly, "The German word "Mut" means courage". That's the modern spelling introduced by the German Orthographic Conference of 1901. The old spelling was "Muth", which is why there's an h in the town's name. The "th" was pronounced the same as "t" in German, making it unnecessary, but English speakers pronounce it "th" in borrowed words. A similar example is "Neanderthal", which means "Neander valley". It's spelled "Neandertal" in modern German. I think it's slightly interesting, but not interesting enough for the lead, even as a footnote, but someone might find a place to add it to the article. Roches (talk) 07:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

On another note, I'd like to add that "courage of the Franconians" is a very literal translation. In my mind this sounds rather like a fierce horde of fighters going into battle. I'd bet that is not what the original settlers intended. I think what they meant is rather a kind of steadfastness in face of the trials and tribulations of a frontier settlement. Or maybe more of a spirit of experimentation, to find out whether they'll make it. I'm not sure if "courage" is a good word to convey this. Come to think of it, "boldness" might capture best what I get from "Mut". --BjKa (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what @BjKa is on about. All places with articles on Wikipedia ought to use the most literal translation of the etymological root words as possible. If not, why even bother having explanations for the names of places in the introductory paragraph at all? The argument for changing "courage" to "boldness" might seem sound to some, but if the Wikipedian I am replying to really wants to push for such a change, I would propose that they please kindly gain WP:CON before such an edit is made to the article. Thank you. 68.49.126.217 (talk) 21:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Province

The article claimed that Franken was a Province in the Kingdom of Bavaria. Well, maybe you have an American book written by an American that you can cite as a great source, but it is still bullshit. As anyone can easily research, the Kingdom of Bavaria was divided into "Kreise", three of which had "-franken" in their name. Fact is, Franconia is a geographic and socio-cultural region, but was never a unified government entity. I took the liberty to change the sentence accordingly. --BjKa (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Fun fact: True Franconians™ might take objection to being represented by the white-and-blue lozenge-pattern of Bavaria as shown in the town's crest. To them it is the symbol of the evil overlordship from which they'd rather be independent. The only proper™ symbol of Franconia is the red-and-white "Rake" ;-) --BjKa (talk) 12:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)