Talk:Frankie Valli

Birthdate

(copied from User talk:65.68.207.28)

Hello. I reverted your 31 Jul 2005 edit changing Frankie Valli's birthyear to 1934. I doubt you know what's on his driver's license because that's a private matter. The year 1934 is hardly relevant at all as Frankie Valli's birthyear. And why would Frankie Valli change his birthyear by just three years?! Marcus2 12:00, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The mug shot of Valli seen at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/fvallimug1.html may have been made up. His hair color is dark brown. Marcus2 15:55, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

According to one site, http://www.planetshoup.com/easy/seasons/otherquest.shtml, Frankie was born in 1937. Under "Miscellaneous", it says "Found - He was born in 1937, in either May or December (he was 19 when he released an album with The Four Lovers in 1956)." Marcus2 11:45, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Marcus -- I was seeing the Four Seasons live before you were born and I have all the Four Lovers records before they even became the Four Seasons. Marcus, Frankie had his first solo hit (My Mother's Eyes) in 1953. He would have been 16 years old if he was born in 1937. He WASN'T -- he was already out of high school and was 19. The Four Lovers, the Variatones, etc., were active throughout the 1950's. When the Four Seasons finally made it (after changing their name), their age was something of an embarrassment. They were a good 10 years older than the Beach Boys. The record companies thought no kids would listen to a band in their 30's. Frankie was 28 when Sherry became a hit, and the record company thought it would be better if he were considered 25, so his age was changed. But his real age and birthdate (1934) were on the back of the Four Lovers album. Then, when the Four Seasons were arrested in Columbus Ohio for not paying for the hotel rooms the prior year, Frankie's mug shot became public, and based on his driver's license and police record it became obvious that he was born in 1934. Also, Tommy DeVito was born in 1933 and everything you read says he was one year older than Frankie. You even got Frankie's hair color wrong, because you weren't born when he had his real color. It was pitch black. It started going gray in the 70's (totally gray sides) and he colored his hair -- all before you were born Marcus. When you put 1937 as his birthdate, you are doing nothing but relying on a date given in publicity releases. The Web site you just quoted, saying "found" about his birthdate, is run by a woman who knows nothing about the Four Seasons -- her Web site poses questions about them, and the "found" entries show what people have written in to her, providing answers. On many of the questions there are several contradictory "founds" for the same question! Half of the info on that site is wrong -- it has incorrect lyrics, lists the wrong albums that songs first appeared on, etc. That site is a mess. I directed you to the official fan club - people who have known Frankie for years. Joe Long (the Four Seasons' bass player after Nick Massi -- for 10 years) is in our group, as is John Paiva who was in the 70's "Who Love You" Four Seasons. It is public record that he is now well over 70 and he was born in 1934. I've given two OFFICIAL references to his age -- his certified police mug shot (as obtained and provided by Court TV which owns Smokinggun.com) and his official fan club. All you have are hearsay rumours to back you up. Here is a third "source" -- his astrology chart, prepared based on his true 1934 birthdate: http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/7P4B4aq2wWxb.htm.

I am not forcing you to believe that Frankie was born in 1937, but you can't force other people (particularly me) to believe that he was born in 1934. The following are mostly my perceptions from what I've seen and read. He wanted to drop out of high school to make a singing career, and was likely to be with a group called the Travellers when he cut "My Mother's Eyes". His hair color is not pitch black: as seen from 1960s photos his hair color is very dark brown. I don't believe everything I hear over the Internet, not even some Frankie Valli fan clubs. And the only sources of "public record" are contributed by people like you. And for the rest of your argumentation, I don't believe you. And that third "source" you gave me is from a French website. It is they who know hardly anything about Frankie, and it is they who are a mostly corrupted people. Marcus2 23:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Marcus -- here's my fourth source and absolute proof. An interview with Frankie, his wife, his father, his mother, Bob Gaudio, you name it. All is confirmed, please read the article carefully. If you are a fan, you will. His age is confirmed - 28 when he recorded Sherry, and he needed the hit because he was poor and had a family at that age. He was 42 in 1976. His hair was jet black, but he colors it now. Each and every thing confirmed in this interview by Frankie and his parents. Here's your proof: http://genuine-imitation-life-gazette.com/IMAGES/RockLives.html

I still don't believe you. It is a bit naïve of you to believe everything that this guy claimed to have written about this interview of Frankie's parents. In fact, I have read this article before you brought it up, and I'm still not convinced. ALso, some of this guy's facts in his original edition are just plain wrong. He is none of a Four Seasons' expert and some of his details of his interviews may be a myth. Marcus2 17:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Is it confirmed that Frankie left the Travellers to join DeVito and company? I thought is was DeVito who discovered him. Also, check out http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0885110/ . Another website that mentions his birthdate as 1937.

As for the Travellers, no -- this article is all messed up. Frankie started his career with DeVito. Frankie Valley and the Traveller's was simply Frankie, DeVito, and others. DeVito even played on Frankie's first solo recording, "My Mother's Eyes." I have sent Marcus private and very confidential information proving Frankie's birthdate. The Web sites which mention the 1937 birthdate are simply repeating what was published in early publicity releases for the Four Seasons. Those same sources put DeVito's birthdate in 1936, but he was actually born in 1928. Nick Massi was born in 1927 (verifiable through his obituaries as well -- he died in 2000 at 72, almost 73). Frankie was six years younger than Tommy and 7 years younger than Massi. If you go to the fan site, www.genuine-imitation-life-gazette.com, there are many articles, interviews, and scanned images from publications with the history of the Four Lovers and Four Seasons, which give the correct birthdates for all the members of the band. In the 60's kids listened to bands their own age, or in their teens and twenties. Valli was 28 with a family and two kids when Sherry was recorded, and Massi and DeVito were in their mid-30's already. It was presumed that the kids would not accept that, so all their birth years were changed (only in publicity releases) by the record company. DeVito was cast as one year older than Frankie, when really he was 6 years older. DeVito now has no qualms about his age of 77 years, and doesn't cover it up anymore. Bob Gaudio, who joined last was the youngest, born in the 1940's. Devito and Massi were already 18 or 19 years old in the late 1940's and were in other bands. The Four Seasons essentially had a ten year career under the names of other bands before they hit it for the first time with Sherry.

Okay, I pretty much believe you about Frankie's actual birthdate (sent to me by E-mail), and I think I do about the others. Just one more concern. You once said that DeVito was born in 1933. Where did that come from? Marcus2 13:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I glad you guys were able to work this out. Agnte 13:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Public records available on ancestry.com (subscription required) gives the age of a Frankie Valli living in Calabasas, CA, as 71. A newspaper article from June 1984 says he is 49. The paper may have gotten the info from his marriage license. If he got the license before his last birthday that would make him born in 1934.

According to this NNDB site, http://www.nndb.com/people/976/000023907/, Frankie got married on July 7, 1984 to Randy Clohessy. Marcus2 02:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Now that the issue of his birthdate seems to be "settled"...

... let's see if this can be cleaned up, POV removed, expanded, organized, and fully cited to the point of being an article worthy of Frankie Valli's half century of songmaking.147.70.242.40 01:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

A question about the Devitos

I did not know or realize that the DeVito brothers were twins (as I read the biography posted here). Is that true? I only question it because it doesn't sound right to me. As far as the early pre-history of The 4 Seasons, I always liked the chronology of events presented in the Bear Family booklet of their CD release entitled 'The Four Lovers'. This seemed like the best presented history of those years.

The inconsistencies in the biography of Frankie Valli

According to the liner notes in the Bear Family Records release entitled 'The Four Lovers' (BCD 15424), Peter Grendysa writes:

"...The baby of the family, Tommy DeVito (born June 19, 1928)..." "...In 1940, older brother Nickie (born September 12, 1924)..." "...with the older guys was Frankie Castelluccio (born May 3, 1934)..." "...with the addition of Nick Macioci (born September 19, 1927)..." "...the piano player for the Royal Teens (Short Shorts), Bob Gaudio (born November 17, 1942)..." "...Bob Crewe, a producer and writer born in Belleville, New Jersey on November 12, 1931..."

Peter cites three sources, which are Walter Gollender, Bim Bam Boom No. 8, December 1972; Ed Endel, Time Barrier No. 23, August, 1977; and, Rex Woodard, Goldmine No. 73, June 1982.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

I believe I have made some errors concerning Wikipedia policies and procedures, but I am puzzled by the out right refusal to consider my edits.

We can argue til we are blue about Valli's birthdate, but I can't believe people can't accept he is 73 and that he, or some other entity or confidant, may have shaved a few years off his age for his career's sake.

Nickie and Tommy DeVito are not twin brothers.

I outlined a more detailed list of Valli successes on the charts rather than taking the previous writer's approach of estimation. I have always disliked that. It is just as easy to state Valli had 29 Top 40 hits as it is to state that he had around 25 Top 40 Hits. I'd rather know the whole picture plus some detail. I think the detail I expressed works here.

I outlined associated acts of Frankie's to help those who are interested in pursuing more about his career, or, buying his recordings. What harm is it to list the acts or names he has recorded under? I think it's an important point that The Seasons started out as 'The 4 Seasons', not choosing to spell out the '4' til much, much later in their career.

I put together Frankie's history as best I thought. I don't think we'll ever know for sure how many different names and variations Frankie performed under in those early years. One takes their best guess. A positive discussion, at least, of what makes the best sense is probably warranted.

Someone wrote the name of a Valli solo single as "Are you ready now". Just a simple check would confirm the title is "You're Ready Now".

Basically, it comes down to what kind of article do you want to see that is respectful of this man's career. Sculatti, Goldmine are not necessariy wrong or right. Neither am I. One source is not suitable for anything. I did the best based on what I know and can put together from what I have read. Does anyone honestly believe the present state of Valli's biography even warrants a passing grade from a Creative Writing class?

I'm sorry if I have upset anyone but I'm a little upset myself that this is the best work anyone can come up with. Bbrownlie 20:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed some errors in Frankie's biography, and Sculatti, who is proven to be reliable, says that he did not join a band until after cutting his so-called solo single in 1953. Marcus2 (talk) 01:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't find Sculatti any more reliable than anyone else. I find your statement that there are errors to be fixed rather inconclusive. For his first appearances, as early as 1951, Frankie showed up where The Variety Trio were playing and found a way to join them as a guest (he may have pleaded for a chance to sing). He didn't necessarily join the band at the time. So, I put back what I wrote because it is based on a variety of sources that I find agreeable. My Dad, being from New Jersey, was a witness to some of these live events.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Okay. There may be some truths and falsehoods in Valli's shady early career, but the reliable sources I've read do confirm what Sculatti has to say. Marcus2 (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I'm not sure what reliable sources or Sculatti himself has that I am not addressing correctly or in error. It is certainly possible that we are all right to some degree. I find Frankie, probably due to his age at the time, was trying to make good impressions and found The Variety Trio open to his performing whenever. His path towards stardom with The Seasons was full of a few stops and starts. He almost made it with The Four Lovers, but really needed someone like Bob Gaudio to push him as well as Tommy and Nick "over the top". Quite a story about a group of guys who almost didn't make it at all.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Marcus2 - Why did you change things back? Why do you believe yours is the true story? Can we continue this discussion before you change things? All I see is that you've shortened what I have written rather than explained your findings or made any advances in writing about Frankie's early career. You talk about reliable sources above, but I don't know how who or what they are and how that changes anything. For example, how do you know Frankie didn't start singing publicly until 1952? What various nightclubs? I have understood that he found Tommy Devito's group and sat in with them a few times, eventually beconming someone who showed up where they played on a regular basis, having a guest spot during their sets. And this began in 1951 as I gleamed from what I guess are unreliable written sources because, according to yourself, only Sculatti can be believed. As far as Nick Massi goes, he was an integral part of Frankie's career as were several others. He also became a musical partner in arguably Frankie's most successul period. Seems like he deseves mention. If not him, why should I have mentioned any others? Because they add to Frankie's history. You wouldn't talk about The Beatles without mentioning George Martin or Brian Epstein. I think Nick Massi is in that category. Please don't think this is all about a "tug of war", but let's work on a good, detailed bio, not one that comes up short in references to the people, places and things that drove and enhanced Frankie Valli's life and career.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

12/31/2007 - Someone anonymously (it is suggested on Wikipedia it is someone with the moniker of RattleandHum) changed genres on Frankie to include a category entitled "brown-eyed soul". This is a category I have never heard of in regard to Frankie or The 4 Seasons. Though it is accepted that both Bob Crewe and Bob Gaudio admired Motown very much, that influence was adapted more in the instrumentation of 4 Seasons records than in any huge vocal sense. I always found Frankie to fit quite well in the categories of Pop, Rock and Doo Wop. Thank you.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Birthdate, again, apparently

Can we discuss this? I'm not sure why 70.101.160.105 still believes he was born in 1937 and not 1934. Also, it looks really tacky having two birthdates. Am I wrong here? Bouncehoper (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I concur. There is no reason to continue the charade of birthdates. I agree to go with the birth year 1934. It doesn't detract from Frankie Valli's career; as a matter of fact, it makes him and his career appear even more amazing.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

For me, I don't doubt that he was born in 1934; it's just that most published sources right now say 1937, so both are applicable here. Marcus2 (talk) 01:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Which sources? Those are probably incorrect. And you can't be born in two different years, so it's not applicable at all. It's confusing, and it's just silly. We can mention that there was a controversy, but we can also acknowledge that people lied about that kinda thing in the '60s. Hell, Andy Milonakis had a whole age controversy for awhile there. But now his page has the right year of birth and everything.

Bouncehoper (talk) 13:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Please be informed that Universal Records is sponsoring Frankie Valli's official web site. Within its biographial content it shows Frankie Valli's year of birth as 1934. I don't know how much clearer this can be. Having worked for MCA Records with knowledge of their processes, I know they had (and continue to do so) to do due diligence to acquire an individual's proper name, SSN, proper contact information as well as other information including date of birth. This goes for artists as well as employees.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Whatever Valli's date of birth, this belongs in a separate section, not at the beginning of the page. The first thing read in the article should be basic biographical information about Valli (I was the anon who just made that change).Elcocinero (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Understood; I even felt the same way as I re-read it. The discussion of the date of birth doesn't belong upfront. but it had been there so long as a point of contention, it never dawned on me to just move it as you did. Thank you.Bbrownlie (talk) 04:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Thanks, Bbrownlie, for totally revamping and fixing this stuff. It looks fab. Bouncehoper (talk) 11:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Castelluccio

I noticed that Castelluccio is also the name of the actor who portrayed Furio Giunta (Federico Castelluccio) in The Sopranos. I wonder if there is some connection. 156.63.68.243 (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)iwerdhon

No, there is no connection. Federico himself has said he is not related to Frankie Valli. Bbrownlie (talk) 01:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Recent Edits

I'd like to address two recent edits:

1. B. Wind removed what is referred to as editorializing, which I returned, concerning Frankie's falsetto. The reason I put that in there is because I don't recall anyone, in any publication, saying as much as a few words regarding this important part of his talent and popularity. If I continue expanding the 70s, I would further reference the use of falsetto as it is discovered, in the 70s, that his hearing issues were related to the decline in use of the falsetto and, in turn, his vocalizing.

2. Yes, as mentioned by more than one individual, the article is lacking sources and/or footnotes. On one hand, it's probably easy enough to source the chart and discography information, which is the main focus of what I write. On the other hand, time being limited (I think Mr. Gordon understands that), I think it's important to further expand the article for the years post-60s (than what appears to be a few highlights), and, then deal with the source material issue. Bbrownlie (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

• You really need to familiarize yourself with WP:NOR, among other things. Since you "don't recall anyone, in any publication, saying as much as a few words regarding this important part of his talent", then you can't say it in Wikipedia either. That's not the only thing wrong with the paragraph, but it's sufficient to keep it out of the article. If you want, we can break down each sentence, but what it boils down to, for each sentence, is "according to whom?" You're probably even completely accurate, in which case it will be easy to find reliable sources. But you don't get to insert original exposition on anything. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 17:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I did read the WP:NOR and understand. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to be thorough, which is my own issue. Because of that, I will leave those who can to have at what I have written. This was a first attempt at working on something like this and I can see more effort is required. Source material for chart info was Joel Whitburn's books. Discography info was derived mainly from the reissues released by ACE Records Ltd as well as Rhino Records releases and my own collection. Other info was from various authors and interviews. Editorializing was my own and I understand as unacceptable; though I thought it was worth stating. Bbrownlie (talk) 22:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Plagiarism

Lots and lots of plagiarism in this article. Slater79 (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• I found a resolution at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 March 19/Articles. User:Silver Spoon said, "This is no copyright violation. This site is a wikipedia clone. Everything we change here is shown there. The site now also has the Possible copyright infringement on top of the page. What this site lacks is a statement that says that the information shown is orriginaly from wikipedia." Given this information, I'll remove the notice. --Samvscat (talk) 23:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

My Mother's Eyes

I know that Frankie Valli recorded My Mother's Eyes in 1953 under the name Frankie Valley. I would like to know how I can get a copy of that recording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcb717 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a tough one because I know of no current release of this recording on CD. For that matter, I don't know if it's ever been released on CD. I suggest going to eBay and searching for it there. Bbrownlie (talk) 23:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Yes there are you can find this recording on the cd frankie valli : this is my story: 1953-1959 on overstock.com or on amazon witht he cd titled the four seasons first years. I have both cds and have the old original 1953 recordings. Enjoy it .. you will! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.124.83 (talk) 06:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Please note that the releases mentioned above may not be of the best quality. The one entitled 'The Fantastic First Years' on Sparkletone Records is definitely a bootleg. I have this bootleg and am not impressed by the quality. I have not heard the other one but I question if Jasmine Records was able to properly license and master these recordings according to the best standards. I have been in this business in regards to licensing and Jasmine is not major player in this area. Also, the Jasmine Records release came out in 2010, a couple of years after the original question was asked above. That being said, these may be the only way to get a CD containing the original recording of "My Mother's Eyes". So, buyer beware and enjoy if this the way you want to go. Bbrownlie (talk) 17:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)bbrownlie

Recent Edits by an Anonymous Individual

I know I'm not perfect, but these recent attempts to change the body of the section entitled 1950s-1960s is very hard to take. Most of what is being posted seems to be entire sections of direct quotes from Frankie Valli's Universal Records web site without any credit given. I would ask that this individual stop this activity and leave the article alone. I take seriously the critiques (and praise) I have been given in regards to my own postings because I'd like to follow the standards if only for the purpose of sharing my knowledge and enhancing my writing skills. Thank you. Bbrownlie (talk) 23:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)bbrownlie

Frankie Valli

I personally don't care what year Frankie was born. We saw him Friday (10/17/2008) night with the Houston Symphony Orchestra and he had the place rockin'! He gave away a CD to a member of the audience and later signed it. During the last song, he went all the way across the front of the stage shaking hands with everyone in the front rows. He seemed to be having a great time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crafty64 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

RE MUTUAL FRIENDS

Hi Frankie, I've been a fan since the early 60s!!! The 1st time I saw you in person was on a date @ The Waldorf Astoria!!! Of course, you were with The Four Seasons @ the time!!! You were FABULOUS!!! I've seen you in concerts since & you NEVER disappoint!!! My husband & I saw "Jersey Boys" twice & plan on taking our granddaughters to see it again... They're 13 & 15 & are VERY familiar with your music because of us & Grease... I'm very dear old friends with Linda November... We've known each other from way back in Brooklyn, N.Y.. We went to J.H.S. & H.S. together!!! I ALWAYS knew she'd be a SUCCESS!!! She was born to sing!!! She's quite the talent!!! Was so proud when she wrote & sang the MEOW, MEOW jingle!!! I was hoping to friend you on FB but you're not on it... Hope to hear from you... Take care & continued success... Sincerely, Helene Weiner Hill...;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.38.196 (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Helene, this is not the place to contact Frankie Valli; this is a talk page for improving his Wikipedia article. Graham87 01:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

I have made significant changes to this article. If any of you are opposed to these changes, please let me know via this talk page or mine. Thank you. Classicalfan2 (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. But why did you remove the birth date and age template? I've put it back, pending an explanation, as it's standard in most biographical infoboxes. I've also changed his mother's name from "Mary" back to "Maria" per the cited source, but if you have a more authoritative reference, feel free to undo that edit, naturally. I don't know much about Frankie Valli; the article is only on my watchlist because I too did some work to clean it up about eighteen months ago. Graham87 14:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Good work. I was just thinking that it's not all that important to note someone's age in an encyclopedia article. And, according to numerous sources, Frankie's mother is Mary rather than Maria. Allmusic's William Ruhlmann is full of untruths and questionable information when it comes to things like Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons. I think you are a fair, good-faith Wikipedian. Thank you, keep up the good work, and I'll await your response. Classicalfan2 (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've changed it to Mary, and added a source. Graham87 03:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

In the Sydney Sun Herald (July 18, 2010), the name is listed as Maria. The Times (Trenton) says Mary. Star-Ledger says Mary, as does the New York Post. My guess is that if we want to refer to her name at the time of Frankie's birth, she was the Italian-born Maria, but as she got older in the U.S., she changed it to Mary. Since there's confusion on the matter, I'll see if I can reach out to Frankie himself (I know someone who knows him) and see if he has any preference. --Elonka 15:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

For the record, Frankie Valli says that her name was Mary, maiden name Rinaldi. So there we go! --Elonka 18:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Sopranos

I think his recurring role as Rusty Millio in several episodes of seasons 5 and 6 should be mentioned here. First appears in All Happy Families... but there was a reference to him (as himself) in season 4, about Tony getting him to perform at that Native American casino whose manager tried to mediate the Columbus Day protests. -A98 98.92.188.120 (talk) 11:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree - it is bizarre that the Sopranos is not mentioned anywhere in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas144 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

A quick check on IMDB shows that Valli appears in 7 episodes of The Sopranos, and additionally has some other TV credits (Miami Vice) and movies (Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band!) This needs to be sourced reliably and probably a new section created. JoeJJC (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Fields for 'Born' and 'Origin'

It is very well known that Frankie was born in Newark, New Jersey. He, also, started performing while living in Newark. There is no indication that Frankie would have been considered to be from Belleville, New Jersey in any form.Bbrownlie (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Album titles

Guys, instead of edit warring would it not be better to discuss the correct form of album titles here?--Egghead06 (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I for one think standard English capitalization should be used, as that's what Wikipedia generally prefers. Graham87 02:29, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Four Lovers

Hi everybody Wikifellows, I'm Saiyuki4ever and I was asking to myself if Frankie Valli has ever been a member of the Four Lovers, The Four Seasons previous incarnation from 1956 to 1960.... If so, it has to be put in the template. Waiting your answers, I wish you all a good surfing on the Wikipedia.

                                                                                                 ===Saiyuki4ever=== Saiyuki4ever (talk) 22:31, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, he was in the Four Lovers. See http://www.frankievallifourseasons.com/bio.html

Peter K Burian (talk) 22:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

And that is mentioned in the Franki Valli article under the relvant years. Peter K Burian (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Confusion Over Texas Jean Valli/Valley (?)

I'm confused about how Texas Jean spelled her last name. Was it Valli or Valley? I got confused because I know for a fact that Frankie used the last name Valley as his original stage name. But numerous online sources have Texas Jean with the last name Valli. Which one is correct? And if it is in fact Valli, how on Earth did Frankie end up with Valley? Classicalfan626 (talk) 12:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

She spelled it Valli. www.hillbilly-music.com/artists/story/index.php?id=13522

Texas Jean Valli - 1954 Jean Valli was a well-known hillbilly-singer in the 1950s. At one time she had her own band.Peter K Burian (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Frankie Valli's web site says Texas Jean Valley, but that is wrong. She was Texas Jean Valli.

Incorrect info: he rechristened himself Frankie Valley (later Italianized to Valli), borrowing the name from friend and fellow performer Texas Jean Valley. http://www.frankievallifourseasons.com/bio.html Peter K Burian (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

NOTE this article is correct: http://www.syracuse.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/06/jersey_boys_frankie_valli_name_syracuse_singer_jean_valli.html Jun 20, 2014 - "Texas" Jean Valli introduced the Four Seasons frontman to a music ... As a result, his first single was listed under "Frankie Valley," Peter K Burian (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I revised the article to include a discussion of the Texas Jean reference. variation on a name he adopted from "Texas" Jean Valli, a female hillbilly singer as discussed in a 2104 article. "Frankie said in 2010 that Jean took him to meet music publishers Paul and Dave Kapp, telling them he was her brother. As a result, his first single was listed under "Frankie Valley," and the name stuck -- though he eventually changed it to the same spelling ... [as Texas Jean was using]."[11] Peter K Burian (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Francis or Francesco?

Valli has said his real name is Francis, and he has also said Francesco. Perhaps his given name is Francis but he said Francesco too since he's of Italian descent and that's the Italian version of Francis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.252.228.3 (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

commas to dashes

   I repunctuated an elliptical expression from being delimited by commas, into dashes, pretty much because there were enough nearby commas to make the phrasal syntax confusing.
—2601:199:C201:FD70:9C34:6D48:7EC7:B307 (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Recent edit warring

So there's an IP who I've been edit-warring with on this article trying to remove this text, citing the notability guideline and the biographies of living persons policy; I almost-but-not-quite went past the three-revert rule but self-reverted. The more I look in to these removals, the less sense they make; the notability guideline does not apply to content within articles, the first two daughters and step-daughter are already named in the article and the People magazine article is literally titled "Frankie Valli and Musical Star Granddaughter Olivia on Their Shared Love of Performing — and Pasta", so there are no BLP concerns here. Also the sentence "Antonia later briefly married Four Seasons drummer/vocalist Gerry Polci, and their daughter." makes literally no sense. I honestly wonder about the actual motives of this IP user, especially considering this edit summary of theirs and some other things going on that I won't lay out here that may well be a coincidence. Because I can make no sense out of the removal rationale, and especially because of the nonsensical sentence in the IP's edits, I'm going to revert to the status quo. Graham87 (talk) 06:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

It's even more nonsensical with the full context. The original: " Antonia later briefly married Four Seasons drummer/vocalist Gerry Polci, and their daughter Olivia Polci, who also adopted the stage surname Valli, is a professional stage actress. She portrayed her grandmother Mary in a Jersey Boys production in 2019." The IP's version: " Antonia later briefly married Four Seasons drummer/vocalist Gerry Polci, and their daughter. She portrayed her grandmother Mary in a Jersey Boys production in 2019." Hmmm if you remove the last period/full stop and the last "she" it works: "" Antonia later briefly married Four Seasons drummer/vocalist Gerry Polci, and their daughter portrayed ..." but still, a lot doesn't really compute here. I didn't notice the grammatical problems created by the IP's edit until now; I was going to give them a week or so for people to come to a consensus on this talk page first, but we should minimise grammatical errors whenever possible. Graham87 (talk) 06:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

The "other things" I was thinking about (which I don't want to reveal publicly) are probably a coincidence, per the contributions of the IP's /56 range, which include many more articles than this one. Some of their other edits are OK, but some are also more than a little bizarre, like calling the official website of the Wellcome Collection a fake reference. Graham87 (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)