Talk:Frauenthal House (Conway, Arkansas)
Latest comment: 12 years ago by SarekOfVulcan in topic Fraunthal House
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Fraunthal House
editAn editor has removed text mention of name "Fraunthal House" from the article. It is a fact that Fraunthal House has been used as a name for this house, because it is listed on the National Register under that name. Google search should turn up multiple hits, many being derivatives to the National Register's NRIS database. It should remain clarified in the article that this is the place one is looking for, if hunting for "Fraunthal House" mentioned in any source. --doncram 19:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- It's still in the infobox, as the name of the NRHP listing. That and the redir from the NRHP spelling are all that's required -- anything else is WP:UNDUE weight. It's a bloody typo.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:24, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a bloody typo. I think that Fraunthal House is a valid name, based on its usage in the MPS document. Those MPS documents are extremely heavily reviewed. I think the actual design drawings of this house are labelled "Fraunthal House". Probably there is a family that has used different variations of spelling in their name. Perhaps Fraunthal is less Germanic-seeming, and someone adopted it when in the United States there were many Americanizations of Germanic names going on (this is speculation, I grant). This probably could be resolved by getting further information, e.g. by requesting the NRHP nomination documents (free) from the National Register. However, it is sourced well enough that Fraunthal is a name of the house. --doncram 19:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it is speculation, especially since I gave you a source for the spelling of the name of the people who it was named for. Give me a source that doesn't derive from the typo in the MPS document, and we have something to discuss. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- It is not speculation that "Fraunthal House" has been used as a name for the house. See Google hits. It is only speculation about why Fraunthal rather than Frauenthal might have been used, and no such speculation was included in the article. Sarek, your removal of (sourced) mention of Fraunthal in the text makes it appear that the NRHP infobox name is wrong, and that anyone should correct that. It doesn't work in practice, to avoid rather than to explain a naming discrepancy. I don't mind the explicit discussion being made less salient, perhaps in a footnote. Could you try editing in some explicit acknowledgment of Fraunthal House being the name. Your tendency to edit war, and to discuss by edit summaries, repeatedly in hundreds of interactions with me, is disturbing. I appreciate that here at this Talk you are at least responding. --doncram 19:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Done, and added hidden comment in National Register of Historic Places listings in Faulkner County, Arkansas as well. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- BTW, http://www.arkansaspreservation.com/historic-properties/_search_nomination_popup.aspx?id=1395. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- It is not speculation that "Fraunthal House" has been used as a name for the house. See Google hits. It is only speculation about why Fraunthal rather than Frauenthal might have been used, and no such speculation was included in the article. Sarek, your removal of (sourced) mention of Fraunthal in the text makes it appear that the NRHP infobox name is wrong, and that anyone should correct that. It doesn't work in practice, to avoid rather than to explain a naming discrepancy. I don't mind the explicit discussion being made less salient, perhaps in a footnote. Could you try editing in some explicit acknowledgment of Fraunthal House being the name. Your tendency to edit war, and to discuss by edit summaries, repeatedly in hundreds of interactions with me, is disturbing. I appreciate that here at this Talk you are at least responding. --doncram 19:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it is speculation, especially since I gave you a source for the spelling of the name of the people who it was named for. Give me a source that doesn't derive from the typo in the MPS document, and we have something to discuss. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a bloody typo. I think that Fraunthal House is a valid name, based on its usage in the MPS document. Those MPS documents are extremely heavily reviewed. I think the actual design drawings of this house are labelled "Fraunthal House". Probably there is a family that has used different variations of spelling in their name. Perhaps Fraunthal is less Germanic-seeming, and someone adopted it when in the United States there were many Americanizations of Germanic names going on (this is speculation, I grant). This probably could be resolved by getting further information, e.g. by requesting the NRHP nomination documents (free) from the National Register. However, it is sourced well enough that Fraunthal is a name of the house. --doncram 19:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
requested move
editThis article was subject of a Requested Move discussion now located (and closed) at Talk:Frauenthal House (Little Rock, Arkansas). --doncram 19:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)