Talk:Freedom of religion in Norway/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 02:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Review

I'll start this one. Hope to provide some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Basic GA criteria

1. Well written: the prose is clear and concise.
2. Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
3. Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
4. Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
5. Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch (e.g., "awesome" and "stunning").
6. Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
7. Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation – not applicable.
8. Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations – not applicable.
9. All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
10. All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
11. Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
12. No original research.
13. No copyright violations or plagiarism.
14. Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
15. Neutral.
16. Stable.
17. Illustrated, if possible.
18. Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.

For reviews, I use the above list of criteria as a benchmark and complete the variables as I go along. No Great Shaker (talk) 02:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments

I've completed the review and made some changes to the article as I've gone through it but a number of points and questions have arisen and I'm placing the article on hold for the time being. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

No Great Shaker, thanks for your prompt feedback. I've gone ahead and implemented all but one of the concrete suggestions and left some comments as well. Let me know if there's anything more that you would like to see in the article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, thank you for the changes and comments. I'm quite happy with reify and the amendments so I will now promote this to GA. It's a very interesting read. I feel that I've learned something and, where history is concerned, that's always on my wishlist. Well done and all the best. Take good care. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

No Great Shaker, thanks for taking up the review, and I'm glad that you found the article interesting! _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead

The lead succeeds in summarising the article and complies with MOS:LEAD. Just a couple of points to be addressed:

• first use of NGO should be non-governmental organization in full with NGO in brackets
  •  Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
• reify seems a bit extreme if meant literally – would assert be better?
  • I think that this is a valid use of reify--the adoption of Christianity by Nordic kingdoms established a new source of political authority and legitimacy that allowed for a greater consolidation of power in the monarchy and the formation of a new (to the region, at least) form of power relations and statecraft. I think that "assert" would be a bit off, as it doesn't necessarily imply a paradigm shift, which is what was happening in Scandinavia at the time. On a more stylistic level, I also like that reify has the morpheme rei-, derived from Latin real and pertaining to law and kings, which is a fun bit of wordplay in context. If you're strongly opposed to "reify", I think that "consolidate" or "legitimize" would be preferable to "assert". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Demographics

It struck me that the content of this section has been lifted from the given source but, having checked WP:COPYOTHERS, I'm happy that the source is public domain and that it is in order to include extracts in the narrative.

In the first paragraph here, the various religions and the HEF account for about 90% of the population. According to Irreligion in Norway, there are a substantial number of non-believers in the country so do these people make up the remaining 10%?

Some more points for consideration:

• the Norwegian Humanist Association (Human-Etisk Forbund) is generally known as the HEF
• two redlinks – any chance of these turning blue in the near future?
  • Reviewing the source again, the remaining 10% of the population would comprise people that do not profess any allegiance to a religious or life-stance organization. I don't know that this necessarily means that they are non-believers, just that they don't belong to an organization. I'm not sure it's worth including an abbreviation for the HEF, since it's only mentioned by name one more time in the article, much farther down the page. I don't personally have any plans to develop articles for the redlinks, but based on their treatment in the sources I was using I'm fairly confident that they meet notability guidelines. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Unification and Christianisation

A couple of points arose here which I've resolved:

• three instances of same spelling mistake (Christanization) – all corrected
• Haakon the Good was later than said and the sentence flow is improved by inserting his dates in brackets

Medieval Norway

• corrected instances of Haakon being mis-spelt Hakan
• linked Magnus VI

Protestant Reformation

• does citation #38 cover the second sentence as well as the third?
• link needed to Christian II
• the sentence beginning "When Frederick died and..." needs to be revised (or completed if a clause is missing)
• sentence beginning "Christian III triumphed..." would be better if split in two to avoid the "and... and..." construction (suggest full stop after exile)
  • For the issue with #38, I assume you mean first and second, given that #38 was cited at the end of the second sentence? I double checked it and confirmed that it does not. From looking through the edit history, I was able to find that the first sentence should be cited to the Derry source (then #39, cited at the end of the paragraph). I've added a citation with the correct page numbers for this claim. I've gone ahead and addressed the other three issues identified here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Independence, etc.

• need a link to Norwegian krone at first instance of NOK
• "as an indigenous to Norway" – word (e.g., people, religion) missing or a typo?

   Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

General points

• there is inconsistency in citation style ranging from Førsund (2012) pp. 88–91 to Derry pp.84-89 to Stenersen: 74
• citation #32 is little more than a bare URL and has not been translated for English readers.

 Done, although it's not impossible that I missed an irregular citation out there somewhere. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)