Talk:Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Kanye West's team submitted "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)" to be considered for the Best Rock Song and Best Rock Performance awards at the 61st Annual Grammy Awards, but it failed to receive either of the nominations? Source(s): submission, Grammy nominees
  • ALT1:... that Kanye West's team sent "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)" for consideration in the categories of Best Rock Song and Best Rock Performance at the 61st Annual Grammy Awards, but it eventually received no nominations?
    • ALT2:... that Ronald Oslin Bobb-Semple launched a lawsuit over Kids See Ghosts allegedly sampling "The Spirit of Marcus Garvey (Garvey speaks to an all-Black audience)" on "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)"? Source(s): Kanye, Kid Cudi, Ty Dolla Sign Sued Over Kids See Ghosts Song: Report
      • ALT3:... that Ronald Oslin Bobb-Semple sued Kids See Ghosts and Ty Dolla Sign for the alleged sampling of "The Spirit of Marcus Garvey (Garvey speaks to an all-Black audience)" on "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)"?
        • ALT4: ... that Kids See Ghosts and Ty Dolla Sign were sued for allegedly sampling "The Spirit of Marcus Garvey (Garvey speaks to an all-Black audience)" in their song "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)"?
          • ALT5: ... that a lawsuit was launched against Kids See Ghosts and Ty Dolla Sign for allegedly sampling "The Spirit of Marcus Garvey (Garvey speaks to an all-Black audience)" in their song "Freeee (Ghost Town, Pt. 2)"?

• Reviewed: Malsyha Kelly

Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 16:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: 5x expansion began on 7 Feb (article at 11,533 bytes prior to start) and was at 52,103 bytes on 15 Feb. That's not quite 5x expansion (which would be 57,665 bytes). Even now, it's only at 52,437 bytes. It needs at least 5228 more bytes to meet the 5x expansion minimum. Many artists submit songs to be considered, and most of them are not nominated, so the fact that these artists submitted their song and it wasn't nominated is not all that unusual or interesting, even though they are more well-known that many other artists. Article needs more expansion to be eligible, and it needs a more interesting hook. I'll think on it a bit to see if I can come up with a better hook. In the meantime, Kyle, please expand the article a bit more, and also try to think of a more interesting hook. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The correct DYK icon here should be the purple maybe symbol since changes have been suggested as opposed to being rejected outright. Flibirigit (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe and Flibirigit, I have now changed the hook to be a more interesting one on my own part and could the suggestion of using the purple symbol be taken on now maybe? Also, I will try to expand the article today since I apologise for not having read the criteria to know expansion had to be 5x; however, this GAN is currently under review so if it passed shortly but has not been expanded further, can the DYK pass too? --K. Peake 07:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Yes, if it passes GAN, then the 5x requirement is moot. I suggest, instead of changing the original hooks, create new ones using ALT2 and ALT3. That way, people can see what the originals were and be able to compare properly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe I have made this update now, but how do you feel about the new hooks? --K. Peake 18:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I like ALT2 and ALT3 better, but the wording still needs tweaking to tighten it up. Maybe something like ALT4?

If this one is picked, then someone else will need to review things to make sure they agree with my assessment. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe I have offered an ALT5 now, how does it read? --K. Peake 21:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: The "a lawsuit was launched against" part in ALT5 is passive and too wordy, and therefore makes the hook not read as well. It shouldn't take too long for someone to pop by offer an opinion on ALT4. We're also waiting for you to expand the article further (about 5228 more characters) or for it to pass GAN, so we're not pressed for time. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:52, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe Would it be acceptable for ALT4 to be used if it is met with approval, despite me not being behind the hook fully? --K. Peake 06:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: That would be for another reviewer to decide. Since I'm the one that worded it, I can't decide if it's acceptable or not. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: More so what I meant was are alts allowed to be used that another user paraphrased from the nominator? --K. Peake 17:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Yes, that happens all the time. You would still get all the credit, though. ALTs are often tweaked and fiddle with until a catchy one is found. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: This article has now passed as a GA and I have changed the expanded part, therefore you should change the new enough criterion to be appropriate in this context. Will just need to wait on the hook review after that! --K. Peake 12:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe All I have to do now is wait on another review then, correct? --K. Peake 21:54, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Yes, someone else needs to approve one of the hooks. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe That is fine, I patiently await when they take a look then but at least the article has met the other requirements already! --K. Peake 11:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Since I suggested one of the ALTs, someone else needs to look things over and decide which one is used. Everything else is good to go, though. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

ALT4 seems fine to me. jp×g 22:59, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe Now that JPxG has voiced their approval of the alt, should the article be ready to pass for DYK? --K. Peake 15:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: JPxG will need to make that determination. If they are fine with everything else, then we are good to go. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Approved. jp×g 19:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

JPxG Awesome, now I just await when this fact appears on the main page of Wiki! --K. Peake 21:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)