Talk:Freeman family murders

Copyvio

I have blanked this page for copyvio from the following sources:

• "Decade after murders, are we safer?"
• "Freeman brothers remorseful 20 years after murdering their parents"
• "Trial Drove Families Apart Verdict Doesn't End Families' Grief, Questions"
• "Bryan Freeman, one of the 'Berserker' brothers, gets new sentencing date"
• "Admitted killer Bryan Freeman proclaims innocence in mom's death"
• Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Copyright

Currently majorly editing the article so the copyright is fixed. Inexpiable (talk) 12:17, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, you are still doing too much close paraphrasing from the Morning Call source. For example:

Source: stuffed a pair of shorts in her mouth and stabbed her repeatedly.

Article: Bryan stuffed a pair of shorts into her mouth and stabbed her repeatedly to death with a steak knife.

Source: where they beat Dennis Freeman with an aluminum baseball bat and metal exercise bar as he lay asleep in bed.

Article: where they beat 54-year-old Dennis Freeman to death with an aluminum baseball bat and metal exercise bar while he lay asleep in bed.

Source: Birdwell also attacked 11-year-old Erik Freeman, who was also asleep, hitting him repeatedly with a 3-foot pick ax handle.

Article: Birdwell then attacked 11-year-old Erik Freeman, who was also asleep, hitting him repeatedly with a 3-foot pick ax handle until he died.

Source: when the car he was driving ran out of gas in Missouri

Article: He was caught after the car he was driving ran out of gas in Missouri.

Source: He was involuntarily committed and remains under state supervision at Wernersville State Hospital in Berks County.

Article: He was involuntarily committed and currently remains under state supervision at Wernersville State Hospital, in Berks County, Pennsylvania.

Source: Bryan Freeman had been hospitalized twice for mental illness and his brother David was treated for substance abuse and had been held in several juvenile facilities

Article: Bryan was hospitalized twice for mental illness and David received treatment for substance abuse and had been in several juvenile facilities.

Surely these descriptions can be rewritten in your own words? I trimmed down one case of close paraphrasing in the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this, Yoninah – it would have saved me a good deal of time if I had seen it before investigating the article history, but for some reason it had been deleted. As I'm sure you know, our practice is in general to remove copyright violations completely, rather than copy-editing them to make them less similar to the source. In this case there were violations right from the first revision, so there was no clean version to revert to. The article can now be rewritten by anyone who has the interest to do so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes and this was posted BEFORE I reverted and changed it all. I have rewritten the entire thing since this was posted!!! I already address ALL THOSE ISSUES Yonniah mentioned! Now once again this important article getting 100+ views a day can now no longer be viewed. But hey if it means you get to delete peoples hard work that's what makes you happy I guess. Inexpiable (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.wfmz.com/news/lehigh-valley/conversation-with-convicted-killer-bryan-freeman_20160530063901772/21041927, http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-freeman-howorth-murders-anniversary-20150227-story.html, http://articles.mcall.com/2005-02-27/news/3587623_1_dennis-freeman-nelson-birdwell-iii-brothers, http://articles.mcall.com/1996-04-27/news/3094231_1_dennis-freeman-family-victims, http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/03/us/2-skinhead-brothers-charged-with-killing-family-members.html and the like. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)

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Fixed issue

Moved from my talk-page

 – Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

The issue of copyright has been resolved already I fixed the issues for Freeman family murders Inexpiable (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

• Please revert the Freeman family murders page I spent hours changing it already. Initially it was at 65% copyvio and I cut it down to under 30% and now you've deleted all my hard work. I'm going to quit wiki if its not reverted this is ridiculous check my last edit with Earwig Copyvio. https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Freeman+family+murders&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=0&use_links=1&turnitin=0 Inexpiable (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
• If you actually bothered to read this talk page [[1]] before deleting peoples work you'd know I already spoke to an admin and fixed all this already. You really want to just delete a well known case like this from Wikipedia? Which is getting 100+ views a day [[2]] Inexpiable (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Inexpiable, the copyright problem had not by any means been resolved. You had removed the copyvio template (which you are not allowed to do – it carries in large letters the message "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent", which you completely ignored) and changed the wording of some sentences. The original copyright violations had not been removed, but copy-edited; parts remained. An example:

Our article, revision 771428237	The source
Bryan pleaded guilty to Brenda's murder to avoid the death penalty. His brother David pleaded guilty to the murder of Dennis. Birdwell went to trial for all three murders. […] No one has been convicted for Erik's murder.	Freeman said he pleaded guilty to his mother's death to avoid the death penalty. His brother, David, pleaded guilty to the death of his father; Birdwell went to trial for all three murders […] No one has been convicted for Eric's death.

That is copyright violation, and we don't allow it here.

I've now read the talk-page discussion you linked to – I'd have done so before if I'd known about it. I don't see anything there about talking to an admin. I do see that Yoninah told you very clearly (and, I believe, quite rightly) "No, they're copyvios" when you tried to suggest that the remaining copying in the article was acceptable. Anyway, I'm completely open to review of the action I've taken here. Why don't you ask the admin you spoke to (or indeed any admin) to take a look and comment if necessary? Or, if you prefer, I could ask one of those active in copyright clean-up to drop by. Your call … Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)